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>Simply instead of "resistance" they call them "pro-democratic rebels" Which is mostly accurate (the rebels part, we have no idea what regime they would have s
by yyyk 6y ago
>Simply instead of "resistance" they call them "pro-democratic rebels"
Which is mostly accurate (the rebels part, we have no idea what regime they would have set up). Iran officially supported Hamas and Hizbollah, the former even after it's been declared a terrorist org. When one does those things so openly, it's no wonder the designations follow.
>(e.g. search for a humble "freedom-fighter" Osama).
Al-Qaeda (or the Taliban) didn't even exist at the time.
>So do please clarify what exactly I am "mixing"?
Your original comment mixed JCPOA (a text at most binding members who signed it but does not override UN resolutions), nuclear sanctions (removed under UN 2231, not the JCPOA), economic sanctions (not all removed, since quite a bit is not nuclear), terror sanctions (e.g. Solemani), etc.
>LOL what? When ISIS has started making territorial claims...
ISIS existed before they made 'claims'. The organization is what Al-Qaeda in Iraq evolved into once they got radical beyond even what Bin Laden wanted (Bin Laden opposed targeting Shiites). Al-Qaeda in Iraq was supported by Assad and Iran. Just recently someone assassinated an Al-Qaeda head in Tehran.
>If anything, it's American support of Sunni rebels in the hope that they will overthrow the Assad government resulted in the creation of ISIS as a quasi-state.
Ah, yes, the US created ISIS conspiracy theory. Lets remember the US left Iraq and was happy to be out until ISIS called it back. ISIS then took over Mosul first, and only then became a quasi-state. The holding in Syria came later, and it was the US (with SDF) which threw them out.
- bildung 6y agoAh, yes, the US created ISIS conspiracy theory. You mean this "conspiracy theory" from the Independent[0] and the Guardian[1] and the New York Times[2]? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-inside-story https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-i... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-bucca-us-prison-became-birthplace-isis-9838905.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-bu... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helped-isis.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helpe...
- yyyk 6y agoAll these stories admit these were the people that fought with Al Qaeda's Iraqi branch (supported by Assad etc.), were imprisoned by the US, and decided to keep fighting after being released. 'Conclusion': US created ISIS. Right. Maybe Iran and co. should have been more careful with their choice of proxies.
- bildung 6y agoNo, the articles say that ISIS has been created in Bucca. From the Guardian article: “[al-Baghdadi] was respected very much by the US army,” Abu Ahmed said. “If he wanted to visit people in another camp he could, but we couldn’t. And all the while, a new strategy, which he was leading, was rising under their noses, and that was to build the Islamic State. If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no IS now. Bucca was a factory. It made us all. It built our ideology.”
- yyyk 6y agoYep, it's an evolution of Al-Qaeda in Iraq (that's why all these people were in jail in first place), built under their noses [their = the US]. In English, that means it was hidden from the US, not complicity. Now, if Assad and the Mullahs didn't support Al-Qaeda in Iraq in the first place, or if they got their Iraqi pawns to keep the lid after the US left, maybe the jihadists wouldn't have been strong enough to create ISIS later on.