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>civil nuclear program Sure, right. Iran already receives nuclear fuel from Russia. It makes 'perfect' economic sense to risk massive sanctions to enrich 100x

by yyyk 6y ago

>civil nuclear program Sure, right. Iran already receives nuclear fuel from Russia. It makes 'perfect' economic sense to risk massive sanctions to enrich 100x times the amount of 'fuel' Iran needs for a single 1000MW nuclear generation unit in Bushehr just so they could ditch their supplier. In a country with nearly free gas and oil. Which everyone accepts has done nuclear weaponization work. >You haven't answered why saying it is worse than killing people. I'm saying the Iranian regime kills people too, just with a slightly different cover. >That said, the Iranian government generally translates it to "down with x," "Generally". Weasel wording doesn't impress.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
The US has shown it will impose sanctions on Iran no matter what, so yes it does make sense to divert away from the only resource they ever have a chance to sell. >Generally". Weasel wording doesn't impress. I can't say that every use of the term over fourty years has been translated as "down with," but that's hardly "weasel words." They've made very clear what they mean by the statement.
- yyyk 6y ago
  > The US has shown it will impose sanctions on Iran no matter what, so yes it does make sense to divert away from the only resource they ever have a chance to sell. 1) The country was far less sanctioned before the nuclear program. 2) Iran has a huge oil glut, no need to divert. 3) It's absurdly without economic sense even then. The expenses due to sanctions and diplomatic conflict are 1000x of any profit. If there's any profit compared to available imports from Russia. 4) It's a country with past weaponization program. We know what it's really for. >They've made very clear what they mean by the statement. Yep, very clear. Just examine their attitude to Israel which gets the same statement.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    Nothing you say makes any sense. Even you seem to agree that Iran suspended their nuclear weapons program for a decade and sanctions didn't improve, so why do one and three mean anything? Two ignores Iran's status in OPEC, and four shows nothing. Yet you act like they've completely unprovoked start massing nuclear weapons without a shred of evidence. >Just examine their attitude to Israel which gets the same statement Disliking the imperialist policies of a state that regularly bombs you makes sense.
    - yyyk 6y ago
      >Even you seem to agree that Iran suspended their nuclear weapons program for a decade and sanctions didn't improve >four shows nothing We have very different definitions to 'nuclear weapons program'. My definition includes creating massive stockpiles of enriched Uranium, especially for countries with acknowledge weaponization programs and no other reasonable motive. According to your definition, if someone built an empty bomb, set it aside, and started working on creating some explosives that someone 'suspended the bomb program'. Perhaps the explosives are just for fireworks! Right. >Two ignores Iran's status in OPEC That only strengthens my point. OPEC gives a maximum export quota which most states are easily capable of exceeding. Might as well use it for internal purposes given the marginal price of extra production is zero. >Disliking the imperialist policies of a state that regularly bombs you makes sense. It's usually Iran which inefficiently does the 'regular bombing'. It's Iran that supplied EFPs to insurgents during Iraq war, and whose sellswords fire rockets at the Green Zone regularly. A rocket killed an Iraqi child just yesterday.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >My definition includes creating massive stockpiles of enriched Uranium, Something this thread seemed to agree restarted in 2019. >OPEC gives a maximum export quota Production quotas. >It's usually Iran which inefficiently does the 'regular bombing It is a fact that Israel regularly bombs Iran. What Iran does is a separate matter I am not defending, though if you blame them for weapons sales I hope you similarly blame the US and Israel for the results of their weapon sales.
        yyyk 6y ago
        >Something this thread seemed to agree restarted in 2019. Your argument was "Iran suspended their nuclear weapons program for a decade". That would put it in 2011 - exactly when Iran did mass enrichment, so I found it very odd. >Production quotas. You're right on the name. However, the intent is to control the market by controlling supply in the market, not to limit domestic use of oil. Nobody in OPEC cares about domestic use since it doesn't come at the expense of other member nations. >It is a fact that Israel regularly bombs Iran I suggest looking in a map. It's Iran that has troops and supports 'resistance' on Israeli border and not the other way around, and every once in a while these 'militants' fight with Israel.

by yyyk 6y ago

boomboomsubban 6y ago

The US has shown it will impose sanctions on Iran no matter what, so yes it does make sense to divert away from the only resource they ever have a chance to sell. >Generally". Weasel wording doesn't impress. I can't say that every use of the term over fourty years has been translated as "down with," but that's hardly "weasel words." They've made very clear what they mean by the statement.

yyyk 6y ago
> The US has shown it will impose sanctions on Iran no matter what, so yes it does make sense to divert away from the only resource they ever have a chance to sell. 1) The country was far less sanctioned before the nuclear program. 2) Iran has a huge oil glut, no need to divert. 3) It's absurdly without economic sense even then. The expenses due to sanctions and diplomatic conflict are 1000x of any profit. If there's any profit compared to available imports from Russia. 4) It's a country with past weaponization program. We know what it's really for. >They've made very clear what they mean by the statement. Yep, very clear. Just examine their attitude to Israel which gets the same statement.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  Nothing you say makes any sense. Even you seem to agree that Iran suspended their nuclear weapons program for a decade and sanctions didn't improve, so why do one and three mean anything? Two ignores Iran's status in OPEC, and four shows nothing. Yet you act like they've completely unprovoked start massing nuclear weapons without a shred of evidence. >Just examine their attitude to Israel which gets the same statement Disliking the imperialist policies of a state that regularly bombs you makes sense.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    >Even you seem to agree that Iran suspended their nuclear weapons program for a decade and sanctions didn't improve >four shows nothing We have very different definitions to 'nuclear weapons program'. My definition includes creating massive stockpiles of enriched Uranium, especially for countries with acknowledge weaponization programs and no other reasonable motive. According to your definition, if someone built an empty bomb, set it aside, and started working on creating some explosives that someone 'suspended the bomb program'. Perhaps the explosives are just for fireworks! Right. >Two ignores Iran's status in OPEC That only strengthens my point. OPEC gives a maximum export quota which most states are easily capable of exceeding. Might as well use it for internal purposes given the marginal price of extra production is zero. >Disliking the imperialist policies of a state that regularly bombs you makes sense. It's usually Iran which inefficiently does the 'regular bombing'. It's Iran that supplied EFPs to insurgents during Iraq war, and whose sellswords fire rockets at the Green Zone regularly. A rocket killed an Iraqi child just yesterday.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      >My definition includes creating massive stockpiles of enriched Uranium, Something this thread seemed to agree restarted in 2019. >OPEC gives a maximum export quota Production quotas. >It's usually Iran which inefficiently does the 'regular bombing It is a fact that Israel regularly bombs Iran. What Iran does is a separate matter I am not defending, though if you blame them for weapons sales I hope you similarly blame the US and Israel for the results of their weapon sales.
      - yyyk 6y ago
        >Something this thread seemed to agree restarted in 2019. Your argument was "Iran suspended their nuclear weapons program for a decade". That would put it in 2011 - exactly when Iran did mass enrichment, so I found it very odd. >Production quotas. You're right on the name. However, the intent is to control the market by controlling supply in the market, not to limit domestic use of oil. Nobody in OPEC cares about domestic use since it doesn't come at the expense of other member nations. >It is a fact that Israel regularly bombs Iran I suggest looking in a map. It's Iran that has troops and supports 'resistance' on Israeli border and not the other way around, and every once in a while these 'militants' fight with Israel.