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Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, b

by ybbond 6y ago

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of stuff hard for me - doesn't support Handoff macOS -> iOS Safari: + The most battery friendly and lightweight + iCloud tabs & Handoff + built-in Picture in Picture, but - activating Picture in Picture is not as easy as Firefox - No good Vim keybindings emulation - cannot view rss raw text - automatically opens related macOS app if any link contains redirect to app [1]: https://web.dev/text-fragments/ https://web.dev/text-fragments/

graftak 6y ago
Chromium: - pinned tabs don't transfer to a new window The entire 'pinned' premise is out of the window with this
tomduncalf 6y ago
> - automatically opens related macOS app if any link contains redirect to app I hate this on iOS. Quite surprised there appears to be no way to disable it globally or per-app as it's such an annoying feature. The only way I know of is to press-and-hold a link to get the context menu, then open it from there... or more usually, uninstall the app in question!
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  Yes! I hate this feature on android. Sometimes I need to login to a Gmail account that I don't have on device, and it takes me to app instead of opening the website I need. Hope they'll make it optional.
wodenokoto 6y ago
I think it is a good list, and it really shows how close browsers are today, that decisions are made on minor inconveniences like "How does it pin tabs?" My biggest gripe with FF on MacOS is that they don't include "look up "x"" in the right-click menu. The PiP in Firefox is a lot better than in Safari. I do wish FF came with better tools for opening PiP for videos that on purpose or on accident hides the PiP-button. I also think that Safari's back-gesture is a huge plus.
- ffpip 6y ago
  Firefox has search in the right click menu. Select anything, right click and 'search with Google/ddg'
  - Kwpolska 6y ago
    “Look up” is a macOS feature that can look up a word in the system Dictionary or Wikipedia. It can be activated by force-clicking or tapping with three fingers on a trackpad Mac, and by a right-click menu options in some apps (Firefox isn’t one of them) on all Macs. It is distinct from search.
    - wodenokoto 6y ago
      The problem with force clicking is that the user doesn’t get to decide the string that is passed to the dictionary, instead a word boundary algorithm decides the word. This algorithm doesn’t work very well on CJK-languages.
    - ffpip 6y ago
      Oh I didn't know about these features on MacOS. Have never used it too much..
- ybbond 6y ago
  > My biggest gripe with FF on MacOS is that they don't include "look up "x"" in the right-click menu. yes, I also miss that feature in Firefox. A sacrifice they choose over their own custom popup with Pocket and "Take a Screenshot"(great feature!), I guess.
lbotos 6y ago
I think FF has hand-off from iOS Safari to FF Mac now? I get the little FF with a phone icon if I open my mac after using iOS Safari sometimes. Or do you mean iOS FF and MacOS FF?
MagerValp 6y ago
Regarding Firefox, I'm unsure what you mean by "no macOS menu bar function for Pin Tab", is this something different from right clicking on a tab and selecting Pin Tab? And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac.
- thirdsun 6y ago
  > And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac. Only from iOS to macOS, not the other way around - at least not with Safari on iOS (I don't use Firefox on iOS).
- ybbond 6y ago
  in macOS, you can do (1)what you said with a mouse, or you can use keyboard. Either you (2)press `⌘⇧?` and search for any functionality, or you (3)assign your own customized shortcut from System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts.
  - MagerValp 6y ago
    Ah, I understand, and assigning custom shortcuts is an awesome macOS feature that I don't use nearly enough. Adding a menu item for "Pin current tab" seems like a pretty straightforward bugzilla request too.
pjc50 6y ago
Picture-in-picture is for me one of those features that manifests as an annoying banner over all videos that I don't want.
- antihero 6y ago
  Then turn it off. about:config set media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.enabled = false
  - detaro 6y ago
    no need for about:config, it's in the normal settings dialog...
- detaro 6y ago
  Then turn it off in settings once and be happy?
Rmblnm4n 6y ago
Oh great, text fragments; more ways for other people to highlight what’s valuable to me.
- dmd 6y ago
  You say this as if sarcastically. I love this feature.
lol768 6y ago
Mozilla provided feedback on the text fragments spec: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194#issuecomment-568581041 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194#is...
ybbond 6y ago
ah ya, I forgot Firefox: + exposed about:config - cannot "highlight all occurrences in scroll bar" for search result Safari + simulate safari iOS perfectly, for webdev (duh) - idem, cannot highlight all occurrences in scroll bar for search result - devtools is lacking
chadlavi 6y ago
There's a vimium plugin for safari, I use it. Called "vimari" https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944
- SxC97 6y ago
  I wish safari allowed extensions to rearrange tabs like FF and Chrome. One of the biggest missing features from Vimari imo.
- ybbond 6y ago
  Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub. Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!
drclau 6y ago
Safari picture-in-picture is better integrated with macOS: it can be used with multiple virtual desktops, it can be pushed to the side, it both snaps to predefined positions and it can be moved wherever. Firefox is stuck to one virtual display, unfortunately. Or has this changed?
andrewl-hn 6y ago
There's an addon for Text Fragment support in Safari and Firefox: https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/link-to-text-fragment https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/link-to-text-fragment If someone sends this link to you, it will open just fine. If you send a link to someone else there's a very high probability they use Chrome. Otherwise, you can recommend them this extension. It's the first time I heard about this new potentially standard feature, and it's very very useful. Thank you!
SxC97 6y ago
Safari: - Lacking extension support - Difficult to manage tabs compared to FF and Chrome [0] [0] FF and Chrome allows you to select tabs the same way you select files. Click on individual tabs while holding command to select them or click on one, hold shift, and click on another tab to select all tabs in between. This makes it much easier to move groups of tabs between windows or break a group of tabs out into a new window.
spdustin 6y ago
Safari 14.0.1 on MacOS "Big Sur" has text fragment support, based on my quick test just now. Edit: apparently still has failure points; when I added a sample to this post, it failed. Perhaps it's the URL parameter? But when I linked to a page without a URL parameter, it did work. Ex: https://web.dev/text-fragments/#creating-text-fragment-urls-with-a-browser-extension:~:text=This%20extension%20is%20available%20for%20the%20following%20browsers https://web.dev/text-fragments/#creating-text-fragment-urls-...
derkopf 6y ago
For the Safari vim keybinding problem: I am using Vimari, I'm pretty happy with it. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944
- ybbond 6y ago
  Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub. Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!

by ybbond 6y ago

graftak 6y ago

Chromium: - pinned tabs don't transfer to a new window The entire 'pinned' premise is out of the window with this

tomduncalf 6y ago

> - automatically opens related macOS app if any link contains redirect to app I hate this on iOS. Quite surprised there appears to be no way to disable it globally or per-app as it's such an annoying feature. The only way I know of is to press-and-hold a link to get the context menu, then open it from there... or more usually, uninstall the app in question!

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Yes! I hate this feature on android. Sometimes I need to login to a Gmail account that I don't have on device, and it takes me to app instead of opening the website I need. Hope they'll make it optional.

wodenokoto 6y ago

I think it is a good list, and it really shows how close browsers are today, that decisions are made on minor inconveniences like "How does it pin tabs?" My biggest gripe with FF on MacOS is that they don't include "look up "x"" in the right-click menu. The PiP in Firefox is a lot better than in Safari. I do wish FF came with better tools for opening PiP for videos that on purpose or on accident hides the PiP-button. I also think that Safari's back-gesture is a huge plus.

ffpip 6y ago
Firefox has search in the right click menu. Select anything, right click and 'search with Google/ddg'
- Kwpolska 6y ago
  “Look up” is a macOS feature that can look up a word in the system Dictionary or Wikipedia. It can be activated by force-clicking or tapping with three fingers on a trackpad Mac, and by a right-click menu options in some apps (Firefox isn’t one of them) on all Macs. It is distinct from search.
  - wodenokoto 6y ago
    The problem with force clicking is that the user doesn’t get to decide the string that is passed to the dictionary, instead a word boundary algorithm decides the word. This algorithm doesn’t work very well on CJK-languages.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    Oh I didn't know about these features on MacOS. Have never used it too much..
ybbond 6y ago
> My biggest gripe with FF on MacOS is that they don't include "look up "x"" in the right-click menu. yes, I also miss that feature in Firefox. A sacrifice they choose over their own custom popup with Pocket and "Take a Screenshot"(great feature!), I guess.

lbotos 6y ago

I think FF has hand-off from iOS Safari to FF Mac now? I get the little FF with a phone icon if I open my mac after using iOS Safari sometimes. Or do you mean iOS FF and MacOS FF?

MagerValp 6y ago

Regarding Firefox, I'm unsure what you mean by "no macOS menu bar function for Pin Tab", is this something different from right clicking on a tab and selecting Pin Tab? And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac.

thirdsun 6y ago
> And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac. Only from iOS to macOS, not the other way around - at least not with Safari on iOS (I don't use Firefox on iOS).
ybbond 6y ago
in macOS, you can do (1)what you said with a mouse, or you can use keyboard. Either you (2)press `⌘⇧?` and search for any functionality, or you (3)assign your own customized shortcut from System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts.
- MagerValp 6y ago
  Ah, I understand, and assigning custom shortcuts is an awesome macOS feature that I don't use nearly enough. Adding a menu item for "Pin current tab" seems like a pretty straightforward bugzilla request too.

pjc50 6y ago

Picture-in-picture is for me one of those features that manifests as an annoying banner over all videos that I don't want.

antihero 6y ago
Then turn it off. about:config set media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.enabled = false
- detaro 6y ago
  no need for about:config, it's in the normal settings dialog...
detaro 6y ago
Then turn it off in settings once and be happy?

Rmblnm4n 6y ago

Oh great, text fragments; more ways for other people to highlight what’s valuable to me.

dmd 6y ago
You say this as if sarcastically. I love this feature.

lol768 6y ago

Mozilla provided feedback on the text fragments spec: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194#issuecomment-568581041 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194#is...

ybbond 6y ago

ah ya, I forgot Firefox: + exposed about:config - cannot "highlight all occurrences in scroll bar" for search result Safari + simulate safari iOS perfectly, for webdev (duh) - idem, cannot highlight all occurrences in scroll bar for search result - devtools is lacking

chadlavi 6y ago

There's a vimium plugin for safari, I use it. Called "vimari" https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

SxC97 6y ago
I wish safari allowed extensions to rearrange tabs like FF and Chrome. One of the biggest missing features from Vimari imo.
ybbond 6y ago
Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub. Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!

drclau 6y ago

Safari picture-in-picture is better integrated with macOS: it can be used with multiple virtual desktops, it can be pushed to the side, it both snaps to predefined positions and it can be moved wherever. Firefox is stuck to one virtual display, unfortunately. Or has this changed?

andrewl-hn 6y ago

There's an addon for Text Fragment support in Safari and Firefox: https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/link-to-text-fragment https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/link-to-text-fragment If someone sends this link to you, it will open just fine. If you send a link to someone else there's a very high probability they use Chrome. Otherwise, you can recommend them this extension. It's the first time I heard about this new potentially standard feature, and it's very very useful. Thank you!

SxC97 6y ago

Safari: - Lacking extension support - Difficult to manage tabs compared to FF and Chrome [0] [0] FF and Chrome allows you to select tabs the same way you select files. Click on individual tabs while holding command to select them or click on one, hold shift, and click on another tab to select all tabs in between. This makes it much easier to move groups of tabs between windows or break a group of tabs out into a new window.

spdustin 6y ago

Safari 14.0.1 on MacOS "Big Sur" has text fragment support, based on my quick test just now. Edit: apparently still has failure points; when I added a sample to this post, it failed. Perhaps it's the URL parameter? But when I linked to a page without a URL parameter, it did work. Ex: https://web.dev/text-fragments/#creating-text-fragment-urls-with-a-browser-extension:~:text=This%20extension%20is%20available%20for%20the%20following%20browsers https://web.dev/text-fragments/#creating-text-fragment-urls-...

derkopf 6y ago

For the Safari vim keybinding problem: I am using Vimari, I'm pretty happy with it. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

ybbond 6y ago
Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub. Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!