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At least this is only banning new cars at the moment. But electric cars don't have a guaranteed real-world range of over 350 miles, the same as a tank of fuel,

At least this is only banning new cars at the moment. But electric cars don't have a guaranteed real-world range of over 350 miles, the same as a tank of fuel, cost the same as petrol models, and charge as quickly as you can fill it with petrol. If the latter was solved petrol stations could be converted to charging points in cities, reducing the need for on-street charging points. And the charging requirements for all those cars, requires a massive investment in the national grid, practically doubling capacity if we ever get all 25 million registered vehicles electric. Twice as many power stations than we currently have, twice as many wind turbines and so on.

kjksf 6y ago
A few counterpoints. You don't need 350 miles of range, especially in England, which is 200 miles coast-to-coast. Average yearly mileage in UK is 9.2 k miles, which is 766 miles per month which is 2.1 full charges at 350 miles. Current estimates are that electric cars will achieve cost parity with ICE cars by 2025. Possibly much sooner given than Tesla is planning $25k car in 2022. Model 3's Total Cost of Ownership is already at par with Honda Civic if you consider cost of gas vs. cost of electricity. While charging is slower than pumping gas and deprives you the pleasure of inhaling oil fumes, most charging happens at home. And finally the bogus "massive investment" argument. Starbucks is truly heart broken every time they need to "massively invest" in opening new store. Oil execs are driven to the brink of suicide every time oil demand spike and they have invest into drilling more holes in the ground. Finally, solar energy producers and grid operators cry themselves to sleep in order to forget how much more money they'll make by selling more energy.
- DrBazza 6y ago
  > You don't need 350 miles of range I drive south-coast to Northumberland, weekly. I don't want to spend 30 minutes plus waiting for the car to charge 2 or 3 times on during the journey, assuming there's even a free charger. Using an electric vehicle, with the current range, would make my 365(!) mile journey about 2 hours longer than it already is. I'm not an outlier either. We have friends and family that do London to Edinburgh weekly, or fortnightly, and often further. As for " bogus "massive investment" argument" that's a bogus-bogus statement. Sorry. We need to double the energy generation in this country to go fully EV and replace all new, and old registered vehicles (there's 25 million registered with the DVLA). We need to additionally add charging points to homes, and on-street. On-street is the worst - can you imagine digging up every street in inner London that has residents with cars to satisfy 'all EV in new cars by 2030'?

kjksf 6y ago

A few counterpoints. You don't need 350 miles of range, especially in England, which is 200 miles coast-to-coast. Average yearly mileage in UK is 9.2 k miles, which is 766 miles per month which is 2.1 full charges at 350 miles. Current estimates are that electric cars will achieve cost parity with ICE cars by 2025. Possibly much sooner given than Tesla is planning $25k car in 2022. Model 3's Total Cost of Ownership is already at par with Honda Civic if you consider cost of gas vs. cost of electricity. While charging is slower than pumping gas and deprives you the pleasure of inhaling oil fumes, most charging happens at home. And finally the bogus "massive investment" argument. Starbucks is truly heart broken every time they need to "massively invest" in opening new store. Oil execs are driven to the brink of suicide every time oil demand spike and they have invest into drilling more holes in the ground. Finally, solar energy producers and grid operators cry themselves to sleep in order to forget how much more money they'll make by selling more energy.

DrBazza 6y ago
> You don't need 350 miles of range I drive south-coast to Northumberland, weekly. I don't want to spend 30 minutes plus waiting for the car to charge 2 or 3 times on during the journey, assuming there's even a free charger. Using an electric vehicle, with the current range, would make my 365(!) mile journey about 2 hours longer than it already is. I'm not an outlier either. We have friends and family that do London to Edinburgh weekly, or fortnightly, and often further. As for " bogus "massive investment" argument" that's a bogus-bogus statement. Sorry. We need to double the energy generation in this country to go fully EV and replace all new, and old registered vehicles (there's 25 million registered with the DVLA). We need to additionally add charging points to homes, and on-street. On-street is the worst - can you imagine digging up every street in inner London that has residents with cars to satisfy 'all EV in new cars by 2030'?