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> rejecting the result of free and democratic elections Source that the past US election was free and democratic? You don't need to answer. I admit, it is a b

by crowf 6y ago

> rejecting the result of free and democratic elections Source that the past US election was free and democratic? You don't need to answer. I admit, it is a bit of a troll question. I, and most Americans, believe that the reason that Biden appears to have won is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states. One of the reason that I trust the result of the election is because throughout history people have questioned the results, passed laws allowing many observers from all sides, kept a paper trail, and preformed recounts when the result was close and questioned. If, however, we are no longer allowed to question if the election is free and democratic, then I will no longer trust the results.

rualca 6y ago
> Source that the past US election was free and democratic? I'm not sure you're being serious. In case you are, can you provide me with any example which supports the assertion that US voters haven't freely expressed their will in their vote, and that the winners of these elections don't reflect the will of the american people? > I, and most Americans, believe that Biden appears to win is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states. That's how your system has been working for a couple centuries, yes. > One of the reason that I trust the result of the election is because throughout history people have questioned the results, passed laws allowing many observers from all sides, kept a paper trail, and preformed recounts when the result was close and questioned. But that's not what's happening, isn't it? I mean, the world is witnessing a candidate who lost the election insisting that he should continue in power, insisting in overriding the results of free and democratic elections to preserve himself in power, and meanwhile appealing to his supporters to use violence to push his goals. Does it feel normal to you, let alone the hallmark of free and democratic elections, to have top military brass feeling the need to address the public to make it clear that they aren't tasked to obey the president, but the constitution?
- crowf 6y ago
  > I'm not sure you're being serious. Has you read the following line you would see that I was not. However, I can point a link to Montgomery county election workers filling in the circles on absentee ballots [0]. I unfortunately can't prove it to you, but I saw a confirmation that my friends grandmother's absentee ballot arrived. The only problem is that see has passed away a few years ago. > But that's not what's happening, isn't it? I'm not sure I'm understanding your double negative. I see that the election appears to be for the most part fair and that the questioning of the results are permitted within the legal framework. > who lost the election That is the question. > hallmark of free and democratic elections, to have top military brass feeling the need to address the public to make it clear that they aren't tasked to obey the president, but the constitution? It is it is. The fact the the top military leaders (not sure exactly who you are referring to) are able to freely exclaim that the follow the constitution, not a former president, is the Hallmark of democracy. Can you imagine what would happen if the Soviet milliary leaders demanded that Stalin hold a free election and that if Stalin lost and didn't step down, that he would be removed by force? Those leaders would either be executed or there would be a coup. I don't see any execution or coups goin on in America. [0] The original has been censored from Google, but here is the county's response. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/ballot-fraud-denied-montgomery-county/2020/10/21/aee4de64-13dd-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/ballot-frau... Filling out someone's ballot, for whatever reason, doesn't spark integrity.
  - rualca 6y ago
    > However, I can point a link to Montgomery county election workers filling in the circles on absentee ballots [0]. Is that your smoking gun? I mean, you're pointing to an article about an incident involving one person working on a single county election suspected of being involved in a single incident where he is suspected of violating a single vote? If I'm not mistaken, in Montgomery county, Maryland, the election results show a difference in votes for both candidates that was over a couple of hundred thousand votes. Are we supposed to believe that guy had any impact in the outcome of the county or even state elections? And is Maryland even a contested state? https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2020/results/General/gen_detail_results_2020_4_BOT001-.html https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2020/results/Genera... I mean, is that enough in your eyes to throw out all election results from all states and just install an unelected ruler then perhaps democracy wasn't that important to you to begin with. Don't get me wrong, please do investigate the case and push for all the legal consequences. That's what was done to the Trump supported in the viral video who admitted to have been caught committing voter fraud in 2016 in favour of Trump by trying to cast multiple votes. But in spite of the verified case of voter fraud, no one is disputing the 2016 elections and trying to install the losing candidate, right?

by crowf 6y ago

rualca 6y ago

> Source that the past US election was free and democratic? I'm not sure you're being serious. In case you are, can you provide me with any example which supports the assertion that US voters haven't freely expressed their will in their vote, and that the winners of these elections don't reflect the will of the american people? > I, and most Americans, believe that Biden appears to win is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states. That's how your system has been working for a couple centuries, yes. > One of the reason that I trust the result of the election is because throughout history people have questioned the results, passed laws allowing many observers from all sides, kept a paper trail, and preformed recounts when the result was close and questioned. But that's not what's happening, isn't it? I mean, the world is witnessing a candidate who lost the election insisting that he should continue in power, insisting in overriding the results of free and democratic elections to preserve himself in power, and meanwhile appealing to his supporters to use violence to push his goals. Does it feel normal to you, let alone the hallmark of free and democratic elections, to have top military brass feeling the need to address the public to make it clear that they aren't tasked to obey the president, but the constitution?

crowf 6y ago
> I'm not sure you're being serious. Has you read the following line you would see that I was not. However, I can point a link to Montgomery county election workers filling in the circles on absentee ballots [0]. I unfortunately can't prove it to you, but I saw a confirmation that my friends grandmother's absentee ballot arrived. The only problem is that see has passed away a few years ago. > But that's not what's happening, isn't it? I'm not sure I'm understanding your double negative. I see that the election appears to be for the most part fair and that the questioning of the results are permitted within the legal framework. > who lost the election That is the question. > hallmark of free and democratic elections, to have top military brass feeling the need to address the public to make it clear that they aren't tasked to obey the president, but the constitution? It is it is. The fact the the top military leaders (not sure exactly who you are referring to) are able to freely exclaim that the follow the constitution, not a former president, is the Hallmark of democracy. Can you imagine what would happen if the Soviet milliary leaders demanded that Stalin hold a free election and that if Stalin lost and didn't step down, that he would be removed by force? Those leaders would either be executed or there would be a coup. I don't see any execution or coups goin on in America. [0] The original has been censored from Google, but here is the county's response. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/ballot-fraud-denied-montgomery-county/2020/10/21/aee4de64-13dd-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/ballot-frau... Filling out someone's ballot, for whatever reason, doesn't spark integrity.
- rualca 6y ago
  > However, I can point a link to Montgomery county election workers filling in the circles on absentee ballots [0]. Is that your smoking gun? I mean, you're pointing to an article about an incident involving one person working on a single county election suspected of being involved in a single incident where he is suspected of violating a single vote? If I'm not mistaken, in Montgomery county, Maryland, the election results show a difference in votes for both candidates that was over a couple of hundred thousand votes. Are we supposed to believe that guy had any impact in the outcome of the county or even state elections? And is Maryland even a contested state? https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2020/results/General/gen_detail_results_2020_4_BOT001-.html https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2020/results/Genera... I mean, is that enough in your eyes to throw out all election results from all states and just install an unelected ruler then perhaps democracy wasn't that important to you to begin with. Don't get me wrong, please do investigate the case and push for all the legal consequences. That's what was done to the Trump supported in the viral video who admitted to have been caught committing voter fraud in 2016 in favour of Trump by trying to cast multiple votes. But in spite of the verified case of voter fraud, no one is disputing the 2016 elections and trying to install the losing candidate, right?