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It still doesn't make sense for MS to push ARM that way - Apple isn't offering its ARM processors to 3rd parties. The best non-Apple processors are obviously x8

by yyyk 6y ago

It still doesn't make sense for MS to push ARM that way - Apple isn't offering its ARM processors to 3rd parties. The best non-Apple processors are obviously x86 right now.

Aperocky 6y ago
Is it though, or is it lacking the software investment that Apple made. There are a good amount of chipsets that are now on 5nm processing. But only Apple made a full desktop OS to go with it.
- aidenn0 6y ago
  Having used linux on High end ARM phone chips, my 4 year old Intel laptop, also runnign linux, is far more performant than they are.
asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
My question is what is the play for Intel and AMD right now? Are they shitting their pants or is this something that was somewhat expected given the progression of Apple's chips and their announced plans? Do Intel/AMD understand how Apple managed to so outmaneuver them? Is the performance gain Apple has delivered an inherent advantage of ARM over x86, and if so, does that imply that we are going to be seeing a migration to ARM in the PC space in the coming decade? I'm deeply fascinated by these questions. I'd love it if someone in the chip design industry who is knowledgeable about the situation would comment.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Given that Apple only has about 10% of the world desktop market, and zero server presence, very unlikely.
- yyyk 6y ago
  AMD is fine. Its processors are competitive (often superior) and it's gaining marketshare. Intel has been in trouble for some time due to its own failure to downscale, a failure which has little to do with x86. They'd be losing to someone else if Apple/AMD hadn't been there. Intel still has some time to recover: it has plenty of money, and Apple/AMD are unable right now to take full advantage of their position. Apple/AMD rely on a supplier (TSMC) which does not have the capacity the supply all or even most of the processor demand, so Intel gets quite a bit of marketshare almost by default.
fjdjsmsm 6y ago
Apple isn’t selling to third parties, but I bet Google wants to. Google must be putting pressure on Qualcomm, and maybe Nvidia, to make something competitive. If they try, within a few years I’m sure someone can. Imagine 3 years from now there are a bunch of Chromebooks selling at Chromebook prices, but offering intel performance. That would start to hurt Microsoft.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  From the way they have been selling in Europe, there is a very long path to go. Chromebooks are only relevant in US school system.
  - hrydgard 6y ago
    Chromebooks are actually widely used in schools in the Nordics.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Here in Germany they just do timid apperances in some consumer stores and then are reduced in endless offerings until someone finally takes them away. Very few people are willing to pay the same price as a regular laptop for what seems just a big browser OS.

by yyyk 6y ago

It still doesn't make sense for MS to push ARM that way - Apple isn't offering its ARM processors to 3rd parties. The best non-Apple processors are obviously x86 right now.

Aperocky 6y ago

Is it though, or is it lacking the software investment that Apple made. There are a good amount of chipsets that are now on 5nm processing. But only Apple made a full desktop OS to go with it.

aidenn0 6y ago
Having used linux on High end ARM phone chips, my 4 year old Intel laptop, also runnign linux, is far more performant than they are.

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago

My question is what is the play for Intel and AMD right now? Are they shitting their pants or is this something that was somewhat expected given the progression of Apple's chips and their announced plans? Do Intel/AMD understand how Apple managed to so outmaneuver them? Is the performance gain Apple has delivered an inherent advantage of ARM over x86, and if so, does that imply that we are going to be seeing a migration to ARM in the PC space in the coming decade? I'm deeply fascinated by these questions. I'd love it if someone in the chip design industry who is knowledgeable about the situation would comment.

pjmlp 6y ago
Given that Apple only has about 10% of the world desktop market, and zero server presence, very unlikely.
yyyk 6y ago
AMD is fine. Its processors are competitive (often superior) and it's gaining marketshare. Intel has been in trouble for some time due to its own failure to downscale, a failure which has little to do with x86. They'd be losing to someone else if Apple/AMD hadn't been there. Intel still has some time to recover: it has plenty of money, and Apple/AMD are unable right now to take full advantage of their position. Apple/AMD rely on a supplier (TSMC) which does not have the capacity the supply all or even most of the processor demand, so Intel gets quite a bit of marketshare almost by default.

fjdjsmsm 6y ago

Apple isn’t selling to third parties, but I bet Google wants to. Google must be putting pressure on Qualcomm, and maybe Nvidia, to make something competitive. If they try, within a few years I’m sure someone can. Imagine 3 years from now there are a bunch of Chromebooks selling at Chromebook prices, but offering intel performance. That would start to hurt Microsoft.

pjmlp 6y ago
From the way they have been selling in Europe, there is a very long path to go. Chromebooks are only relevant in US school system.
- hrydgard 6y ago
  Chromebooks are actually widely used in schools in the Nordics.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Here in Germany they just do timid apperances in some consumer stores and then are reduced in endless offerings until someone finally takes them away. Very few people are willing to pay the same price as a regular laptop for what seems just a big browser OS.