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> BTW: US leadership probably caused more civilian death international than Chinese government's domestic figure. Probably 2-3 orders of magnitude more. Iraq Sy

> BTW: US leadership probably caused more civilian death international than Chinese government's domestic figure. Probably 2-3 orders of magnitude more. Iraq Syria etc. Going off the conservative estimates, the CCP-led Great Leap Forward killed over 10 million people. 2-3 orders of magnitude more than that is 1-10 billion.

justicezyx 6y ago
I implied to be recent history. Mostly within 20 years. Let's extend to 2 regimes history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#:~:text=One%20of%20these%20factors%20was,of%20overall%20native%20population%20decline https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indige.... Wow, US and China are among the most evil government in human history! What a surprise... Give me a break, my lad. I am not talking about how morally superior CCP is to US government. Look at the havoc raged by the US leadership. I am fking weeping every night regretting the stupid 12 years I spend at this damn declining country. Cannot we stop the bittering and focus on improving and positive thinking... I never defend CCP in any degree beyond showing the lack of leadership from US. Read my comments, judge for yourself. I don't think a US born person can understand the profound disappointment I am experiencing everyday now. I am comparing US to CCP, that's not what I setup to learn 12 years ago coming to this country...
yeetman21 6y ago
If you want to go back you can count all the natives and slaves killed by the US, going off the conservative estimates the US killed over 100 million people. HOWEVER. The US back then is not the US right now. And the CCP back then is not the CCP right now, so both arguments are quite foolish.
WaxProlix 6y ago
I guess the real question if you want to be scientific-ish about it is, how many more died in the 1959-61 famine than in previous, similar ones? The Chinese region has a rich history of famine going back for thousands of years, so it shouldn't be too hard to do a bit of math. What's interesting is that after this period, there are no more famines (though food scarcity I think is still an issue). So China did something right in its industrialization. Edit to quote from a slate article that was on top of a search: > Over the past 2,000 years, China has suffered almost one famine per year. Severe drought killed as many as 13 million Chinese in the two-year famine beginning in 1876. The 1927 famine killed as many as 6 million. There were significant famines in 1929, 1939, and 1942. from https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/why-does-china-not-have-famines-anymore-capitalist-and-socialist-reforms.html https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/why-does-china-not-have...

justicezyx 6y ago

I implied to be recent history. Mostly within 20 years. Let's extend to 2 regimes history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#:~:text=One%20of%20these%20factors%20was,of%20overall%20native%20population%20decline https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indige.... Wow, US and China are among the most evil government in human history! What a surprise... Give me a break, my lad. I am not talking about how morally superior CCP is to US government. Look at the havoc raged by the US leadership. I am fking weeping every night regretting the stupid 12 years I spend at this damn declining country. Cannot we stop the bittering and focus on improving and positive thinking... I never defend CCP in any degree beyond showing the lack of leadership from US. Read my comments, judge for yourself. I don't think a US born person can understand the profound disappointment I am experiencing everyday now. I am comparing US to CCP, that's not what I setup to learn 12 years ago coming to this country...

yeetman21 6y ago

If you want to go back you can count all the natives and slaves killed by the US, going off the conservative estimates the US killed over 100 million people. HOWEVER. The US back then is not the US right now. And the CCP back then is not the CCP right now, so both arguments are quite foolish.

WaxProlix 6y ago

I guess the real question if you want to be scientific-ish about it is, how many more died in the 1959-61 famine than in previous, similar ones? The Chinese region has a rich history of famine going back for thousands of years, so it shouldn't be too hard to do a bit of math. What's interesting is that after this period, there are no more famines (though food scarcity I think is still an issue). So China did something right in its industrialization. Edit to quote from a slate article that was on top of a search: > Over the past 2,000 years, China has suffered almost one famine per year. Severe drought killed as many as 13 million Chinese in the two-year famine beginning in 1876. The 1927 famine killed as many as 6 million. There were significant famines in 1929, 1939, and 1942. from https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/why-does-china-not-have-famines-anymore-capitalist-and-socialist-reforms.html https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/why-does-china-not-have...