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One day it just hit me: "I could totally give my life for this child". It came out of nowhere and it was a chilling and somewhat unnerving feeling. I never fel

by elteto 6y ago

One day it just hit me: "I could totally give my life for this child". It came out of nowhere and it was a chilling and somewhat unnerving feeling. I never felt that for anyone. But the conviction is there, almost like a peaceful resignation: if there is no other solution and that is the only possible alternative then so be it. Crazy.

BurningFrog 6y ago
This is obviously a trait evolution would strongly favor.
1996 6y ago
Indeed, crazy. Some people think having a child rewrites of a lot of core routines - apparently also those involved into self-preservation. I'm sorry if that comes out as offensive, but this strikes me as something a virus or a parasite would also do, hijacking the host brain. How exposure to parasites encourages promiscuity has been studied: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013694/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013694/ Obviously, children may not be parasites, but the "It came out of nowhere and it was a chilling and somewhat unnerving feeling" part is troubling.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  except they are parasites. for women, biologically, the foetus considers the mother's body as the host body and siphons off resources. and thats ok. because the parasite is 50% of host DNA. all babies are born premature because we evolved quickly and the human female's pelvic bones didnt grow as wide and as quickly as the baby's head to come through the birth canal. even after birth, the human baby needs the mother/father for a much longer time for survival. progestrone, semen, testosterone, pregnancy etc hijacks not just the blood stream, hormones but also the brain because the fetus basically converts the mother's body into a fortress and a machine to keep itself alive. after birth, the immature baby/fetus also hijacks the father's brain and instincts. it's best to remember that all biological organisms are mere vehicles for DNA and it's survival instinct. this isnt just for humans. my favourites are insects. at the farm..watch the praying mantis and the tarantula wasp and the drone bees play out their lives changes your perspective on life forever.
  - boringg 6y ago
    I have to say that this is an interesting perspective to take. Seems highly functional. Not sure if I agree or disagree, I do find it interesting.
    - andrewem 6y ago
      If that interests you, see the philosophical debates about the nature and existence of consciousness, e.g. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-d... and the follow-up https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/04/03/magic-illusions-and-zombies-an-exchange/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/04/03/magic-illusions-and... I thought of this connection because of the philosopher Daniel Dennett's writing about the Sphex wasp.
      - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
        Thank you for the links. The Sphex wasp behaviour is common to most wasps. They are fierce mothers. I have seen it first hand with tarantula wasps in my farm where the female wasp will paralyze tarantula with a neurotoxin. Then she lays the eggs in the still alive tarantula’s belly. It’s insides liquify and after the baby wasps come along, they are nourished by the fortifying soup of the ..wait for it..still-living tarantula’s innards. http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150109-the-wasp-that-scares-tarantulas http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150109-the-wasp-that-scares... A more dramatic telling here on video: https://www.newsweek.com/horrifying-video-shows-giant-wasp-paralyze-tarantula-so-living-spider-body-can-716711 https://www.newsweek.com/horrifying-video-shows-giant-wasp-p...
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      I have often wondered if it’s more of a symbiotic relationship rather than a parasitic one because in fairness, the foetus doesn’t kill the host. Having said that, symbiosis only occurs with two distinctly different species. With pregnancy and the human fetus, it’s is a kind of quasi-parasitic relationship because the host survives the parasite. Even though it’s changed. (Pregnancy changes body chemistry and functionally not just physical change)
bgroat 6y ago
It's funny, this was one of the reasons I always found Harry Potter so overrated. So Harry has super special invincibility from The Killing Curse because Lily sacrifices herself for him. This is described as "Ancient, Long Forgotten Magic" Wouldn't literally any parent do this? Why aren't they're dozens of boys/girls who lived?
- Robin_Message 6y ago
  Because only in this case did Voldemort even consider sparing a parent. Note that James is already dead and his love is not believed to have any extra power. It was only that Lily had a rare chance to flee and refused to take it that Harry was protected. (Assuming I haven't mixed up canonical Harry Potter with Methods of Rationality.)

by elteto 6y ago

BurningFrog 6y ago

This is obviously a trait evolution would strongly favor.

1996 6y ago

Indeed, crazy. Some people think having a child rewrites of a lot of core routines - apparently also those involved into self-preservation. I'm sorry if that comes out as offensive, but this strikes me as something a virus or a parasite would also do, hijacking the host brain. How exposure to parasites encourages promiscuity has been studied: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013694/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013694/ Obviously, children may not be parasites, but the "It came out of nowhere and it was a chilling and somewhat unnerving feeling" part is troubling.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
except they are parasites. for women, biologically, the foetus considers the mother's body as the host body and siphons off resources. and thats ok. because the parasite is 50% of host DNA. all babies are born premature because we evolved quickly and the human female's pelvic bones didnt grow as wide and as quickly as the baby's head to come through the birth canal. even after birth, the human baby needs the mother/father for a much longer time for survival. progestrone, semen, testosterone, pregnancy etc hijacks not just the blood stream, hormones but also the brain because the fetus basically converts the mother's body into a fortress and a machine to keep itself alive. after birth, the immature baby/fetus also hijacks the father's brain and instincts. it's best to remember that all biological organisms are mere vehicles for DNA and it's survival instinct. this isnt just for humans. my favourites are insects. at the farm..watch the praying mantis and the tarantula wasp and the drone bees play out their lives changes your perspective on life forever.
- boringg 6y ago
  I have to say that this is an interesting perspective to take. Seems highly functional. Not sure if I agree or disagree, I do find it interesting.
  - andrewem 6y ago
    If that interests you, see the philosophical debates about the nature and existence of consciousness, e.g. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-d... and the follow-up https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/04/03/magic-illusions-and-zombies-an-exchange/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/04/03/magic-illusions-and... I thought of this connection because of the philosopher Daniel Dennett's writing about the Sphex wasp.
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      Thank you for the links. The Sphex wasp behaviour is common to most wasps. They are fierce mothers. I have seen it first hand with tarantula wasps in my farm where the female wasp will paralyze tarantula with a neurotoxin. Then she lays the eggs in the still alive tarantula’s belly. It’s insides liquify and after the baby wasps come along, they are nourished by the fortifying soup of the ..wait for it..still-living tarantula’s innards. http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150109-the-wasp-that-scares-tarantulas http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150109-the-wasp-that-scares... A more dramatic telling here on video: https://www.newsweek.com/horrifying-video-shows-giant-wasp-paralyze-tarantula-so-living-spider-body-can-716711 https://www.newsweek.com/horrifying-video-shows-giant-wasp-p...
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    I have often wondered if it’s more of a symbiotic relationship rather than a parasitic one because in fairness, the foetus doesn’t kill the host. Having said that, symbiosis only occurs with two distinctly different species. With pregnancy and the human fetus, it’s is a kind of quasi-parasitic relationship because the host survives the parasite. Even though it’s changed. (Pregnancy changes body chemistry and functionally not just physical change)

bgroat 6y ago

It's funny, this was one of the reasons I always found Harry Potter so overrated. So Harry has super special invincibility from The Killing Curse because Lily sacrifices herself for him. This is described as "Ancient, Long Forgotten Magic" Wouldn't literally any parent do this? Why aren't they're dozens of boys/girls who lived?

Robin_Message 6y ago
Because only in this case did Voldemort even consider sparing a parent. Note that James is already dead and his love is not believed to have any extra power. It was only that Lily had a rare chance to flee and refused to take it that Harry was protected. (Assuming I haven't mixed up canonical Harry Potter with Methods of Rationality.)