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Chrome and 20-50 tabs, and my Intel Macbook can be used as a blow dryer. Assuming Chrome's power needs don't change, it seems that the only way to control for

Chrome and 20-50 tabs, and my Intel Macbook can be used as a blow dryer. Assuming Chrome's power needs don't change, it seems that the only way to control for overheating an M1 is going to be throttling down - slowing everything down. Curious how M1 machines feel during day to day usage.

megablast 6y ago
Chrome is just awful on a mac. I am not sure why anyone uses it. FF is much nicer to use.
- markholmes 6y ago
  I’ve been using Safari as my daily driver for some time and it’s quite nice to use. Don’t be afraid to give it another chance.
  - sumedh 6y ago
    Does Safari have extensions like Ad Blocker and does it have good developer tools?
    - aculver 6y ago
      1. Yes, it does. I use AdBlock Pro. 2. Yes, it does. I've been using Safari as my primary browser as a Rails developer for at least the past decade and have always found the developer tools at least adequate. I don't use the developer tools on other browsers heavily, so I don't know if I might be missing something.
      - wildrhythms 6y ago
        [Edit] I'm wrong about this- "Adblock Pro no longer exists for Safari (in the form of an "official" extension)." It still exists, as "AdBlock Pro for Safari" developed by Crypto, Inc. but was not listed on Apple's extension site for some strange reason: https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1377753262 https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1377753262 The listed adblocker is: "AdBlock for Safari" developed by BETAFISH INC, which offers in-app purchases including "Gold Upgrade" which "unlocks" some basic features that gorhill's uBlock Origin already has for every other browser. https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/6000220558-gold-upgrade-for-the-adblock-for-safari-mac-app https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/60002... Not switching until there are some better options for this.
        dolmen 6y ago
        I have no trust in an ad blocker extension (which has access to any site you visit) published by an entity that is in the domain of crypto currencies. An adblocker is the best way to hide malware that steals money.
      - jorl17 6y ago
        I used to run Safari on my mac and it was the best thing in the world: - It integrated perfectly with the OS - It saved battery like heeeeell - It integrated natively with Airpods and media keys - It clearly had worse performance than Chrome and a couple of incompatibilities, but it was perfectly acceptable - I could run most of my extensions, namely uBlock Origin, HTTPS Everywhere and Reddit Enhancement Suite - The native PiP (before it was on any other browser) was AMAZING I had been a diehard Chrome user since it came out (with the comic book!) on Windows, Linux and macOS. I got fed up with how slow it was becoming and how it was running my fans all the time. Unfortunately, two things happened that made me quit Safari: - I found some weird bug wherein whenever I typed an address in the address bar it would always slow down to a crawl - Apple deprecated and abandoned old extensions. So I lost most of my very valuable extensions, with emphasis on uBlock Origin and Reddit Enhancement Suite. I could live with a different adblocker (I saw adguard at the time), but I could not live without RES. No way. So I left Safari and have since moved to Firefox. It seems almost as fast as Chrome, has nice integrations and features, but it's no Safari. It still drains my battery and has issues. Firefox has since progressively added PiP (even if it's not native) and support for media keys, which was a godsend, so that's nice. I'd like to get back to Safari. It would be amazing. Do you know if there is any way for me to get what I used to have back? uBlock Origin (or something with compatible filter lists and custom rules) and Reddit Enhancement Suite?
        freediver 6y ago
        Yes, PM me for an invite (its not Safari but is native, Webkit based browser that runs uBlock and other webextensions)
        astkaasa 6y ago
        try adguard pls, it also has an iOS version which has almost the same experience on safari
    - gnicholas 6y ago
      Safari is migrating to a new system of extensions that will make it much easier to port from Chrome. However, I understand it still requires Xcode (which non-Mac folks can't run) and a developer license (which not everyone wants to pay for). I hope to bring my Chrome extension to Safari, but honestly it's not a priority because most people who install extensions are not running Safari (when you consider that most people are not on Mac, and a large chunk of folks on desktop Safari are there because it's the default — and therefore would not likely install extensions).
    - dan1234 6y ago
      I use AdGuard for safari (in the Mac app store), which works reasonably well. It has good standard developer tools, but not the advanced stuff like Redux replay and flexbox inspectors.
- mycall 6y ago
  Does Edge Chromium for MacOS have the same awfulness?
- testfoobar 6y ago
  I particularly like Chrome profiles. I have a few profiles with their own bookmarks/histories/open tabs/etc. For example, one of my profiles is "Shopping". Another is "Work" and yet another is "Social Media". Context switching profiles at a macro level - as opposed to intermingling work/shopping/social - is beneficial to me. When I switch over to "Shopping", I have my tabs on whatever purchase I'm researching open. I can drop the whole project for a few weeks and resume it later right where I left off. None of it can bleed over into my "Work" profile. I like the separation. Helps keep my head clear.
  - majormunky 6y ago
    Firefox has something like this called containers. The best example is one for facebook, where any call to any facebook servers only works in the facebook container. It has similar setups as well, Work, Home, Commerce, etc.
    - testfoobar 6y ago
      Not quite the same. I want to set-up and tear-down entire macro groups of windows and tabs while keeping others active. Opening my 'Shopping' profile brings up windows and tabs from where I left off. Same with "Social". When I don't want distractions, I just close those profiles. No notifications, no updates, etc. I like the separation.
      - windexh8er 6y ago
        Simple Tab Groups [0] + Multi-Account Containers [1] are my workflow for that exact case. Simple Tab Groups hides the tabs based on the group you're in and the Multi Account Containers can keep them segmented from a contextual standpoint. I can't stand Chrome either and so I've been using these two together for about a year now I believe. Using a naked version of Chrome is jarring given my browser feels like it fits how I use it being setup like this. [0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-gr... [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...
- mattnewton 6y ago
  Speed mostly, though the last time I tried out Firefox seriously was over a year ago, it was noticeably much slower on pages (ab)using lots of javascript.
pwthornton 6y ago
The reviews I saw said that using Chrome gets good better life, but if you want great battery life you need to use something like Safari. I switched to Safari a few years ago, and I couldn't be happier. Chrome's performance and battery life are atrocious. I only use Chrome when I need something specific from it.
- gnicholas 6y ago
  I saw that comment in a couple different places. Presumably Chrome is running through Rosetta 2, whereas Safari is native to the M1. I imagine once Chrome is available natively, performance will be somewhat better, though probably still not as good as Safari.
  - zitterbewegung 6y ago
    IIRC Chrome is a battery hog / memory hog on all platforms. Am I wrong in this regard?
    - rowanG077 6y ago
      Afaik it's a memory hog but it doesn't really use more or less battery then other browsers.
      - dwighttk 6y ago
        so it uses more memory but not more battery?
        Ericson2314 6y ago
        That's...not a contradiction?
  - simonh 6y ago
    On the new machines yes, but none if the people you read about before today had AS machines, they were all comparing Chrome and Safari on Intel, so it’s unlikely that stays quiet will change once Chrone is native on AS.
gnicholas 6y ago
I have a 2017 MBP (base, no TB) and found that Chrome made my fan rev like crazy. A friend told me about Brave and I tried it out. Now my fan only kicks on when I'm doing serious work. I know some folks don't like Brave for various reasons, but I love it because my MBP is almost always silent.
fouc 6y ago
It occurs to me that we can run the iOS version of Chrome on the macbook too. And iOS version of Chrome is a wrapper around webkit IIRC.
rbanffy 6y ago
That and opening Zoom seem to push my 15" over thermal reboot.

megablast 6y ago

Chrome is just awful on a mac. I am not sure why anyone uses it. FF is much nicer to use.

markholmes 6y ago
I’ve been using Safari as my daily driver for some time and it’s quite nice to use. Don’t be afraid to give it another chance.
- sumedh 6y ago
  Does Safari have extensions like Ad Blocker and does it have good developer tools?
  - aculver 6y ago
    1. Yes, it does. I use AdBlock Pro. 2. Yes, it does. I've been using Safari as my primary browser as a Rails developer for at least the past decade and have always found the developer tools at least adequate. I don't use the developer tools on other browsers heavily, so I don't know if I might be missing something.
    - wildrhythms 6y ago
      [Edit] I'm wrong about this- "Adblock Pro no longer exists for Safari (in the form of an "official" extension)." It still exists, as "AdBlock Pro for Safari" developed by Crypto, Inc. but was not listed on Apple's extension site for some strange reason: https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1377753262 https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1377753262 The listed adblocker is: "AdBlock for Safari" developed by BETAFISH INC, which offers in-app purchases including "Gold Upgrade" which "unlocks" some basic features that gorhill's uBlock Origin already has for every other browser. https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/6000220558-gold-upgrade-for-the-adblock-for-safari-mac-app https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/60002... Not switching until there are some better options for this.
      - dolmen 6y ago
        I have no trust in an ad blocker extension (which has access to any site you visit) published by an entity that is in the domain of crypto currencies. An adblocker is the best way to hide malware that steals money.
    - jorl17 6y ago
      I used to run Safari on my mac and it was the best thing in the world: - It integrated perfectly with the OS - It saved battery like heeeeell - It integrated natively with Airpods and media keys - It clearly had worse performance than Chrome and a couple of incompatibilities, but it was perfectly acceptable - I could run most of my extensions, namely uBlock Origin, HTTPS Everywhere and Reddit Enhancement Suite - The native PiP (before it was on any other browser) was AMAZING I had been a diehard Chrome user since it came out (with the comic book!) on Windows, Linux and macOS. I got fed up with how slow it was becoming and how it was running my fans all the time. Unfortunately, two things happened that made me quit Safari: - I found some weird bug wherein whenever I typed an address in the address bar it would always slow down to a crawl - Apple deprecated and abandoned old extensions. So I lost most of my very valuable extensions, with emphasis on uBlock Origin and Reddit Enhancement Suite. I could live with a different adblocker (I saw adguard at the time), but I could not live without RES. No way. So I left Safari and have since moved to Firefox. It seems almost as fast as Chrome, has nice integrations and features, but it's no Safari. It still drains my battery and has issues. Firefox has since progressively added PiP (even if it's not native) and support for media keys, which was a godsend, so that's nice. I'd like to get back to Safari. It would be amazing. Do you know if there is any way for me to get what I used to have back? uBlock Origin (or something with compatible filter lists and custom rules) and Reddit Enhancement Suite?
      - freediver 6y ago
        Yes, PM me for an invite (its not Safari but is native, Webkit based browser that runs uBlock and other webextensions)
      - astkaasa 6y ago
        try adguard pls, it also has an iOS version which has almost the same experience on safari
  - gnicholas 6y ago
    Safari is migrating to a new system of extensions that will make it much easier to port from Chrome. However, I understand it still requires Xcode (which non-Mac folks can't run) and a developer license (which not everyone wants to pay for). I hope to bring my Chrome extension to Safari, but honestly it's not a priority because most people who install extensions are not running Safari (when you consider that most people are not on Mac, and a large chunk of folks on desktop Safari are there because it's the default — and therefore would not likely install extensions).
  - dan1234 6y ago
    I use AdGuard for safari (in the Mac app store), which works reasonably well. It has good standard developer tools, but not the advanced stuff like Redux replay and flexbox inspectors.
mycall 6y ago
Does Edge Chromium for MacOS have the same awfulness?
testfoobar 6y ago
I particularly like Chrome profiles. I have a few profiles with their own bookmarks/histories/open tabs/etc. For example, one of my profiles is "Shopping". Another is "Work" and yet another is "Social Media". Context switching profiles at a macro level - as opposed to intermingling work/shopping/social - is beneficial to me. When I switch over to "Shopping", I have my tabs on whatever purchase I'm researching open. I can drop the whole project for a few weeks and resume it later right where I left off. None of it can bleed over into my "Work" profile. I like the separation. Helps keep my head clear.
- majormunky 6y ago
  Firefox has something like this called containers. The best example is one for facebook, where any call to any facebook servers only works in the facebook container. It has similar setups as well, Work, Home, Commerce, etc.
  - testfoobar 6y ago
    Not quite the same. I want to set-up and tear-down entire macro groups of windows and tabs while keeping others active. Opening my 'Shopping' profile brings up windows and tabs from where I left off. Same with "Social". When I don't want distractions, I just close those profiles. No notifications, no updates, etc. I like the separation.
    - windexh8er 6y ago
      Simple Tab Groups [0] + Multi-Account Containers [1] are my workflow for that exact case. Simple Tab Groups hides the tabs based on the group you're in and the Multi Account Containers can keep them segmented from a contextual standpoint. I can't stand Chrome either and so I've been using these two together for about a year now I believe. Using a naked version of Chrome is jarring given my browser feels like it fits how I use it being setup like this. [0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-gr... [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...
mattnewton 6y ago
Speed mostly, though the last time I tried out Firefox seriously was over a year ago, it was noticeably much slower on pages (ab)using lots of javascript.

pwthornton 6y ago

The reviews I saw said that using Chrome gets good better life, but if you want great battery life you need to use something like Safari. I switched to Safari a few years ago, and I couldn't be happier. Chrome's performance and battery life are atrocious. I only use Chrome when I need something specific from it.

gnicholas 6y ago
I saw that comment in a couple different places. Presumably Chrome is running through Rosetta 2, whereas Safari is native to the M1. I imagine once Chrome is available natively, performance will be somewhat better, though probably still not as good as Safari.
- zitterbewegung 6y ago
  IIRC Chrome is a battery hog / memory hog on all platforms. Am I wrong in this regard?
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    Afaik it's a memory hog but it doesn't really use more or less battery then other browsers.
    - dwighttk 6y ago
      so it uses more memory but not more battery?
      - Ericson2314 6y ago
        That's...not a contradiction?
- simonh 6y ago
  On the new machines yes, but none if the people you read about before today had AS machines, they were all comparing Chrome and Safari on Intel, so it’s unlikely that stays quiet will change once Chrone is native on AS.

gnicholas 6y ago

I have a 2017 MBP (base, no TB) and found that Chrome made my fan rev like crazy. A friend told me about Brave and I tried it out. Now my fan only kicks on when I'm doing serious work. I know some folks don't like Brave for various reasons, but I love it because my MBP is almost always silent.

fouc 6y ago

It occurs to me that we can run the iOS version of Chrome on the macbook too. And iOS version of Chrome is a wrapper around webkit IIRC.

rbanffy 6y ago

That and opening Zoom seem to push my 15" over thermal reboot.