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How about don't have public sector unions at all? How about having standards for government employees and firing bad ones? Maybe allow multiple police forces

How about don't have public sector unions at all? How about having standards for government employees and firing bad ones? Maybe allow multiple police forces to compete and allow people to choose the one that polices their area and thus receive funding. Maybe make police carry malpractice insurance and that way bad behavior has a cost, and those harmed are compensated.

novok 6y ago
A federal or state prosecution service for police malpractice with teeth I think is the ultimate thing that keeps this shit in line. With separate lines of business, separate people they work with and separate career incentives which are only about locking up criminal police, FBI or even the NSA / CIA, complete with undercover operations.
csours 6y ago
How about don't have public sector unions at all? - I don't like this idea. I like the protections that unions have brought for workers, I just think public sector unions need a new model. How about having standards for government employees and firing bad ones? - There should definitely be a process for this, and I'm pretty sure there is, so it's more of a question of the process parameters, and then after firing, what kind of job can that person get? There's a history of bad cops being re-hired as cops or private security in other jurisdictions. (Not just cops, but that's the example here) Maybe allow multiple police forces to compete and allow people to choose the one that polices their area and thus receive funding. - I don't like this one at all. Maybe make police carry malpractice insurance and that way bad behavior has a cost, and those harmed are compensated. - Strongly agree with this one.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  > Maybe make police carry malpractice insurance and that way bad behavior has a cost, and those harmed are compensated. - Strongly agree with this one. one of the striking details from the article is how records of police misconduct are protected to the point where even the chief of police can't necessarily look at them! the insurance idea is an interesting one, but it only has a chance of achieving its goal if the insurance company is able to look at these records and set premiums accordingly. if a flat premium is charged, I fear the municipality would just increase salaries to offset the premiums (or even pay them directly).

novok 6y ago

A federal or state prosecution service for police malpractice with teeth I think is the ultimate thing that keeps this shit in line. With separate lines of business, separate people they work with and separate career incentives which are only about locking up criminal police, FBI or even the NSA / CIA, complete with undercover operations.

csours 6y ago

How about don't have public sector unions at all? - I don't like this idea. I like the protections that unions have brought for workers, I just think public sector unions need a new model. How about having standards for government employees and firing bad ones? - There should definitely be a process for this, and I'm pretty sure there is, so it's more of a question of the process parameters, and then after firing, what kind of job can that person get? There's a history of bad cops being re-hired as cops or private security in other jurisdictions. (Not just cops, but that's the example here) Maybe allow multiple police forces to compete and allow people to choose the one that polices their area and thus receive funding. - I don't like this one at all. Maybe make police carry malpractice insurance and that way bad behavior has a cost, and those harmed are compensated. - Strongly agree with this one.

leetcrew 6y ago
> Maybe make police carry malpractice insurance and that way bad behavior has a cost, and those harmed are compensated. - Strongly agree with this one. one of the striking details from the article is how records of police misconduct are protected to the point where even the chief of police can't necessarily look at them! the insurance idea is an interesting one, but it only has a chance of achieving its goal if the insurance company is able to look at these records and set premiums accordingly. if a flat premium is charged, I fear the municipality would just increase salaries to offset the premiums (or even pay them directly).