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How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? A ser

How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? A service, running on somebody else's machine, is essntially closed. I think the only way to have an 'open' service is to have it managed like a co-op, where the users all have access to deployment logs or other such transparency. Even then, it requires implicit trust in whomever has the authorization to access the servers.

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joosters 6y ago
In theory, this is the kind of thing that the GPL v3 was trying to address: roughly speaking, if you host & run a service that is derived from GPL-v3'd software, you are obliged to publish your modifications. But, I agree with you - and I don't think the author had really thought through what they were demanding, they made no mention of licensing other than singing happy praises of FOSS as if that would magically mean you could trust what a search engine was doing.
- lixtra 6y ago
  > In theory, this is the kind of thing that the GPL v3 was trying to address: roughly speaking, if you host & run a service that is derived from GPL-v3'd software, you are obliged to publish your modifications. You mean AGPL https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_Licens...
  - joosters 6y ago
    You're right... I'm misremembering the GPL, wikipedia says that it was only 'Early drafts of GPLv3 also let licensors add an Affero-like requirement that would have plugged the ASP loophole in the GPL' - I hadn't realised it never made it into the final version.
- jedimastert 6y ago
  > In theory, this is the kind of thing that the GPL v3 was trying to address: roughly speaking, if you host & run a service that is derived from GPL-v3'd software, you are obliged to publish your modifications. Why would I trust someone to do that, though?
joshuaissac 6y ago
That sounds a bit like YaCy.[1] It is a program that apparently lets you host a search engine on your own machine, or have it run as a P2P node. I think the next step forward should be to have indices that can be shared/sold for use with local mode. So you might buy specialised indices for particular fields, or general ones like what Google has. The size of Google's index is measured in petabytes, so a normal person would still not have the capability to run something like that locally. Edit: In another thread, ddorian43 has pointed out the existence of Common Crawl,[2] which provides Web crawl data for free. I have no idea if it can be integrated with YaCy, but it is there. 1. https://yacy.net/ https://yacy.net/ 2. https://commoncrawl.org/ https://commoncrawl.org/
Jyaif 6y ago
> How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphic_encryption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphic_encryption
- 6510 6y ago
  hah, gave me a picture of a base plate ontowhich one can click on top an infinite number of hardisk enclosures or additional base plates to the 4 sides. You get a subscription and the index updates (enclosure+preloaded drive) are send to you periodically. The front of the enclosure says: 2020 4th quarter

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joosters 6y ago

In theory, this is the kind of thing that the GPL v3 was trying to address: roughly speaking, if you host & run a service that is derived from GPL-v3'd software, you are obliged to publish your modifications. But, I agree with you - and I don't think the author had really thought through what they were demanding, they made no mention of licensing other than singing happy praises of FOSS as if that would magically mean you could trust what a search engine was doing.

lixtra 6y ago
> In theory, this is the kind of thing that the GPL v3 was trying to address: roughly speaking, if you host & run a service that is derived from GPL-v3'd software, you are obliged to publish your modifications. You mean AGPL https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_Licens...
- joosters 6y ago
  You're right... I'm misremembering the GPL, wikipedia says that it was only 'Early drafts of GPLv3 also let licensors add an Affero-like requirement that would have plugged the ASP loophole in the GPL' - I hadn't realised it never made it into the final version.
jedimastert 6y ago
> In theory, this is the kind of thing that the GPL v3 was trying to address: roughly speaking, if you host & run a service that is derived from GPL-v3'd software, you are obliged to publish your modifications. Why would I trust someone to do that, though?

joshuaissac 6y ago

That sounds a bit like YaCy.[1] It is a program that apparently lets you host a search engine on your own machine, or have it run as a P2P node. I think the next step forward should be to have indices that can be shared/sold for use with local mode. So you might buy specialised indices for particular fields, or general ones like what Google has. The size of Google's index is measured in petabytes, so a normal person would still not have the capability to run something like that locally. Edit: In another thread, ddorian43 has pointed out the existence of Common Crawl,[2] which provides Web crawl data for free. I have no idea if it can be integrated with YaCy, but it is there. 1. https://yacy.net/ https://yacy.net/ 2. https://commoncrawl.org/ https://commoncrawl.org/

Jyaif 6y ago

> How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphic_encryption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphic_encryption

6510 6y ago
hah, gave me a picture of a base plate ontowhich one can click on top an infinite number of hardisk enclosures or additional base plates to the 4 sides. You get a subscription and the index updates (enclosure+preloaded drive) are send to you periodically. The front of the enclosure says: 2020 4th quarter