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Just as testimony, it probably doesn't mean much, but bakcwards compatibility you either have it or you don't, there's no middle ground Apple is one of the mos

Just as testimony, it probably doesn't mean much, but bakcwards compatibility you either have it or you don't, there's no middle ground Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later The story is this: a friend of mine is a well respected illustrator and he has been a long time Mac user (at least since I remember) Few days ago he asked me advices about a new laptop and he asked for a PC because "new Mac OS will not work with my Photoshop version" He owns a license for Photoshop 6, payed for it and has no need to uograde, especially to the new subscription based licensing MacOS Sierra doesn't even work with Photoshop CS6 The only option he had to keep using something he owned was to switch platform (Adobe allows platform change upon request) End of story. Backwards compatibility has no value until you need it. Just like an ambulance or a pacemaker.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I've used Photoshop CS6 on both Sierra and High Sierra. It's ever-so-slightly more crash-prone than on older OS's, but totally usable. It launches on Mojave as well, so I'm pretty sure it works, but I haven't personally used it for any length of time. Catalina is what killed it. IMO, backwards compatibility in OSX/macOS was perfectly decent for a long time. Most software compiled for Intel that wasn't doing something weird continued to chug on, frequently with significant glitches but not to the point where the software was unusable. Then in Catalina Apple just gave up or something.
- klelatti 6y ago
  It's odd isn't it because if they invested a little bit in Catalina and Rosetta they could probably have had a great backwards compatibility story even in a few years time - but it's just not in the DNA I guess.
- djxfade 6y ago
  In Catalina, Apple dropped 32 bit support. And in the same process dropped a lot of Frameworks that had been deprecated for ages. 64 bit software that didn't rely on deprecated Frameworks continue to function
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    Isn't that the meaning of breaking backwards compatibility?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  Photoshop 6, not CS6
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    The GP said: > MacOS Sierra doesn't even work with Photoshop CS6 I'm not sure where they got that impression, but it definitely works!
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      I got it from Adobe Web site > Mac OS X v10.6.8 or v10.7. Adobe Creative Suite 3, 4, 5, CS5.5, and CS6 applications support Mac OS X v10.8 or v10.9 when installed on Intel-based system They work, maybe, they are not supported though It means that if it doesn't work, Adobe won't provide any support
      - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
        I wouldn't expect Adobe to support CS6 in 2020 on my 10.9 system either. What matters is whether the software works or not—which it does on Mojave, and on Windows 10.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        you are not wrong, but Photoshop 5, released in 1998, works on Windows 10 because Microsoft made it possible CS6 works officially from XP SP3 (2008) to the end of Windows 8 (2015) It works unofficially on XP pre SP3 (2001) and on windows 10, almost 20 years later and it's guaranteed to work on the LTSC for another 8 years (last LTSC is from 2018) CS6 on Mac is supported on systems that span from 2011 (OS X 10.6.8) to 2014 (when Yosemite came out) On May 2020 Adobe updated the release notes on CS6 saying that "If you are running Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 3, Photoshop will run in both 32-bit and 64-bit editions. However, Adobe does not officially support the 64-bit edition and you may run into problems." So they are still supporting it on Windows XP on their official channels. Most of the problems with old applications in Windows come from installers using ancient techniques to detect the OS version Most of recent Adobe software theoretically could also run on older windows versions (8 or 7 for example), but are not supporting old platforms anymore with the new subscription versions and recebtly dropped support for the LTSC versions of Windows 10, so probably keeping the old versions around is a smart move if they work well enough for you People who bought licenses for old versions should be in their right to use them as long as they can Which simply is for longer on Windows than on MacOS
chipotle_coyote 6y ago
> He owns a license for Photoshop 6 Uh, I'm guessing you mean CS6 rather than Photoshop 6, the program that came out in 2000. In any case, Adobe's help page[1] currently reads, "As Creative Suite 6 is no longer sold or supported, platform or language exchanges are not available for it." Since they're certainly not selling or supporting versions older than CS6, it's unlikely your friend is going be able to keep Photoshop CS6 by buying a new PC laptop. (And he sure as hell ain't gonna be able to get a copy of Photoshop 6 to run on Windows 10.) > Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later That's not wrong, but s/Apple/Adobe and the sentiment is still true. I suppose he'll save money if he gets a cheaper-than-Apple PC laptop, but I don't think he's gonna avoid paying for Creative Cloud. [1] https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/exchange-product-language-os.html https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/exchange-...
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  I'm talking about Photoshop 6 That's why I said "MacOS Sierra can't even run CS6" Technically in Italy if you bought a license and the manufacturer won't support it anymore, you can use it on another platform even downloading an illegal copy. As long as you have the original license. That's the same reason why you can listen to mp3s if you own the original record, you have the right to keep a copy and the right to use it even if the manufacturer stop supporting it, because you bought it in perpetuity when you bought the product That's why I stay away from the new licenses that give you none of those rights And that's why backwards compatibility sometimes is what drives people choices
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    > He owns a license for Photoshop 6, payed for it and has no need to uograde, especially to the new subscription based licensing Sounds like the friend has a need to upgrade, and that upgrade is going to require new software. I don’t think this situation is Adobe or Apple’s fault, old stuff stops working at some point.
    - 6y ago
bitL 6y ago
That CS6 issue was a major faux pas and a reason why many people stay with Mojave or are forced to use VMs.
macintux 6y ago
> Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later The more charitable view is that by not being wedded to backwards compatibility they can make their ecosystem stronger, faster. See https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/apples-relentless-strategy-and-execution-7544a76aa26 https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/apples-relentless-stra... for some discussion of those tradeoffs.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

I've used Photoshop CS6 on both Sierra and High Sierra. It's ever-so-slightly more crash-prone than on older OS's, but totally usable. It launches on Mojave as well, so I'm pretty sure it works, but I haven't personally used it for any length of time. Catalina is what killed it. IMO, backwards compatibility in OSX/macOS was perfectly decent for a long time. Most software compiled for Intel that wasn't doing something weird continued to chug on, frequently with significant glitches but not to the point where the software was unusable. Then in Catalina Apple just gave up or something.

klelatti 6y ago
It's odd isn't it because if they invested a little bit in Catalina and Rosetta they could probably have had a great backwards compatibility story even in a few years time - but it's just not in the DNA I guess.
djxfade 6y ago
In Catalina, Apple dropped 32 bit support. And in the same process dropped a lot of Frameworks that had been deprecated for ages. 64 bit software that didn't rely on deprecated Frameworks continue to function
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Isn't that the meaning of breaking backwards compatibility?
romanoderoma 6y ago
Photoshop 6, not CS6
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  The GP said: > MacOS Sierra doesn't even work with Photoshop CS6 I'm not sure where they got that impression, but it definitely works!
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    I got it from Adobe Web site > Mac OS X v10.6.8 or v10.7. Adobe Creative Suite 3, 4, 5, CS5.5, and CS6 applications support Mac OS X v10.8 or v10.9 when installed on Intel-based system They work, maybe, they are not supported though It means that if it doesn't work, Adobe won't provide any support
    - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
      I wouldn't expect Adobe to support CS6 in 2020 on my 10.9 system either. What matters is whether the software works or not—which it does on Mojave, and on Windows 10.
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        you are not wrong, but Photoshop 5, released in 1998, works on Windows 10 because Microsoft made it possible CS6 works officially from XP SP3 (2008) to the end of Windows 8 (2015) It works unofficially on XP pre SP3 (2001) and on windows 10, almost 20 years later and it's guaranteed to work on the LTSC for another 8 years (last LTSC is from 2018) CS6 on Mac is supported on systems that span from 2011 (OS X 10.6.8) to 2014 (when Yosemite came out) On May 2020 Adobe updated the release notes on CS6 saying that "If you are running Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 3, Photoshop will run in both 32-bit and 64-bit editions. However, Adobe does not officially support the 64-bit edition and you may run into problems." So they are still supporting it on Windows XP on their official channels. Most of the problems with old applications in Windows come from installers using ancient techniques to detect the OS version Most of recent Adobe software theoretically could also run on older windows versions (8 or 7 for example), but are not supporting old platforms anymore with the new subscription versions and recebtly dropped support for the LTSC versions of Windows 10, so probably keeping the old versions around is a smart move if they work well enough for you People who bought licenses for old versions should be in their right to use them as long as they can Which simply is for longer on Windows than on MacOS

chipotle_coyote 6y ago

> He owns a license for Photoshop 6 Uh, I'm guessing you mean CS6 rather than Photoshop 6, the program that came out in 2000. In any case, Adobe's help page[1] currently reads, "As Creative Suite 6 is no longer sold or supported, platform or language exchanges are not available for it." Since they're certainly not selling or supporting versions older than CS6, it's unlikely your friend is going be able to keep Photoshop CS6 by buying a new PC laptop. (And he sure as hell ain't gonna be able to get a copy of Photoshop 6 to run on Windows 10.) > Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later That's not wrong, but s/Apple/Adobe and the sentiment is still true. I suppose he'll save money if he gets a cheaper-than-Apple PC laptop, but I don't think he's gonna avoid paying for Creative Cloud. [1] https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/exchange-product-language-os.html https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/exchange-...

romanoderoma 6y ago
I'm talking about Photoshop 6 That's why I said "MacOS Sierra can't even run CS6" Technically in Italy if you bought a license and the manufacturer won't support it anymore, you can use it on another platform even downloading an illegal copy. As long as you have the original license. That's the same reason why you can listen to mp3s if you own the original record, you have the right to keep a copy and the right to use it even if the manufacturer stop supporting it, because you bought it in perpetuity when you bought the product That's why I stay away from the new licenses that give you none of those rights And that's why backwards compatibility sometimes is what drives people choices
- lostlogin 6y ago
  > He owns a license for Photoshop 6, payed for it and has no need to uograde, especially to the new subscription based licensing Sounds like the friend has a need to upgrade, and that upgrade is going to require new software. I don’t think this situation is Adobe or Apple’s fault, old stuff stops working at some point.
  - 6y ago

bitL 6y ago

That CS6 issue was a major faux pas and a reason why many people stay with Mojave or are forced to use VMs.

macintux 6y ago

> Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later The more charitable view is that by not being wedded to backwards compatibility they can make their ecosystem stronger, faster. See https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/apples-relentless-strategy-and-execution-7544a76aa26 https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/apples-relentless-stra... for some discussion of those tradeoffs.