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> or donating to help cover the project’s new CI and hosting costs, Planning to do exactly that tonight. I'm one of those who stopped donating to Mozilla once

> or donating to help cover the project’s new CI and hosting costs, Planning to do exactly that tonight. I'm one of those who stopped donating to Mozilla once I realized none of the money donated could ever be used for developing the browser. If anybody else thought like me tonight might be a good time to prove we were principled, not cheap. Edit: one more thing. Hopefully at some time we can now recreate Firefox with a new name, a new engine and a new, safe but also complete extension API that allows us to recreate what we've lost over the last few years. Edit2: done.

LockAndLol 6y ago
> I'm one of those who stopped donating to Mozilla once I realized none of the money donated could ever be used for developing the browser. I never donated to Mozilla for this precise reason. Now I'm seriously considering it. Edit: Done
- ygjb 6y ago
  The irony is that from both of these comments it implies you have a concern about the future and the stability of Firefox as both an open source project, and it's role in preventing a browser monoculture. Setting aside concerns about leadership, because IMO it's time for most of the current leadership to retire and make space for more innovative folks, Mozilla needs two things to preserve Firefox and Gecko, money and relevance. The have had numerous misfires on diversifying revenue, and they have been challenged on how to do that for a long time, but MoCo (Mozilla Corporation) has been profitable for quite some time due to the business deals with Google. That funds Firefox and many other related projects. The other thing that Mozilla needs is relevance, and over and above the presence of Firefox, MoFo (Mozilla Foundation) has played an activist role across many different initiatives, standards bodies, and lobbying. That requires money, and because of the legal manoeuvring that Mozilla has done in structuring MoFo and MoCo it requires that Mozilla Foundation be largely self-funding. Donations help with that, and pay for relevance in a way that Firefox alone can't. Please rethink the hostility towards donating to Mozilla Foundation.
  - syshum 6y ago
    >> Please rethink the hostility towards donating to Mozilla Foundation Once Mozilla rethink;s its hostility to its user base maybe the user base will rethink its hostility towards Mozilla Mozilla left us, we did not leave Mozilla
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    I don't see any irony there; people care about firefox, and there is literally no way to donate money to develop firefox. Maybe donating to the foundation sorta indirectly helps firefox, but a reasonable person could easily view them as mostly unrelated.
    - ygjb 6y ago
      Sure, you can donate money to develop Firefox, but it's not a core part of Mozilla's business model to support that. Instead you would need to track down an OSS developer that is either an active contributor, or who is willing to work on Firefox, and then sponsor their work through a number of different contributor pathways. There are Github sponsorships, direct funding, or any of the options here - https://itsfoss.com/open-source-funding-platforms/ https://itsfoss.com/open-source-funding-platforms/ It's not easy because supporting open source contributors is hard, and Mozilla is trying to keep their staff focused on corporate and foundation priorities. Even if users could directly donate money to develop Firefox, the implication is that any such donations should only be used for Firefox development, when in practice, shipping a modern browser in a way that is competitive requires an enormous amount of non-"Firefox" related work (safe browsing, sync, telemetry, marketing ,release engineering work, advocacy, documentation, etc, etc, etc). Earmarking donations for engineering work is kind of silly in the context of an OSS project designed to compete with some of the largest juggernauts in the industry.
      - pabs3 6y ago
        There are consulting companies that do OSS development on web related projects, Igalia is probably the closest one, or maybe Collabora. https://www.igalia.com/ https://www.igalia.com/ https://www.collabora.com/ https://www.collabora.com/
dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
I’m not in a position to donate right now, so thanks a lot for donating to this project. Though I do wonder how much influence Servo will have on preventing browser monoculture given that as a stand-alone thing it can’t be or isn’t involved in developing standards. Mozilla will still have to play that role. I hope they step up to the plate and stay focused on this most important thing.
- eitland 6y ago
  > I’m not in a position to donate right now, so thanks a lot for donating to this project. I've been there myself for years. I'm happy to now be in a position not even have to think to donate tonight. Hopefully you too will get there soon too! Edit: and thanks for your contributions to netty and graphql-java!
  - dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
    Thanks a lot! Hope I will too :).
dannyobrien 6y ago
Yep, I threw them $10 -- it was pretty easy (there was some strange scrolling problem on the first page, but I just hit the donate button and it went away) https://crowdfunding.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/projects/servo https://crowdfunding.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/projects/servo
- rfvrgvegbegn 6y ago
  Do we really have to created an account to donate ? I donate to Blender from time to time and I like how they just put an IBAN on their donation page ( https://www.blender.org/foundation/donation-payment/ https://www.blender.org/foundation/donation-payment/ ) I copy paste the IBAN in my e-banking app, send, done. Why here do I have to read pages and pages of privacy policy, create an account, give my email, etc.

LockAndLol 6y ago

> I'm one of those who stopped donating to Mozilla once I realized none of the money donated could ever be used for developing the browser. I never donated to Mozilla for this precise reason. Now I'm seriously considering it. Edit: Done

ygjb 6y ago
The irony is that from both of these comments it implies you have a concern about the future and the stability of Firefox as both an open source project, and it's role in preventing a browser monoculture. Setting aside concerns about leadership, because IMO it's time for most of the current leadership to retire and make space for more innovative folks, Mozilla needs two things to preserve Firefox and Gecko, money and relevance. The have had numerous misfires on diversifying revenue, and they have been challenged on how to do that for a long time, but MoCo (Mozilla Corporation) has been profitable for quite some time due to the business deals with Google. That funds Firefox and many other related projects. The other thing that Mozilla needs is relevance, and over and above the presence of Firefox, MoFo (Mozilla Foundation) has played an activist role across many different initiatives, standards bodies, and lobbying. That requires money, and because of the legal manoeuvring that Mozilla has done in structuring MoFo and MoCo it requires that Mozilla Foundation be largely self-funding. Donations help with that, and pay for relevance in a way that Firefox alone can't. Please rethink the hostility towards donating to Mozilla Foundation.
- syshum 6y ago
  >> Please rethink the hostility towards donating to Mozilla Foundation Once Mozilla rethink;s its hostility to its user base maybe the user base will rethink its hostility towards Mozilla Mozilla left us, we did not leave Mozilla
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  I don't see any irony there; people care about firefox, and there is literally no way to donate money to develop firefox. Maybe donating to the foundation sorta indirectly helps firefox, but a reasonable person could easily view them as mostly unrelated.
  - ygjb 6y ago
    Sure, you can donate money to develop Firefox, but it's not a core part of Mozilla's business model to support that. Instead you would need to track down an OSS developer that is either an active contributor, or who is willing to work on Firefox, and then sponsor their work through a number of different contributor pathways. There are Github sponsorships, direct funding, or any of the options here - https://itsfoss.com/open-source-funding-platforms/ https://itsfoss.com/open-source-funding-platforms/ It's not easy because supporting open source contributors is hard, and Mozilla is trying to keep their staff focused on corporate and foundation priorities. Even if users could directly donate money to develop Firefox, the implication is that any such donations should only be used for Firefox development, when in practice, shipping a modern browser in a way that is competitive requires an enormous amount of non-"Firefox" related work (safe browsing, sync, telemetry, marketing ,release engineering work, advocacy, documentation, etc, etc, etc). Earmarking donations for engineering work is kind of silly in the context of an OSS project designed to compete with some of the largest juggernauts in the industry.
    - pabs3 6y ago
      There are consulting companies that do OSS development on web related projects, Igalia is probably the closest one, or maybe Collabora. https://www.igalia.com/ https://www.igalia.com/ https://www.collabora.com/ https://www.collabora.com/

dmitryminkovsky 6y ago

I’m not in a position to donate right now, so thanks a lot for donating to this project. Though I do wonder how much influence Servo will have on preventing browser monoculture given that as a stand-alone thing it can’t be or isn’t involved in developing standards. Mozilla will still have to play that role. I hope they step up to the plate and stay focused on this most important thing.

eitland 6y ago
> I’m not in a position to donate right now, so thanks a lot for donating to this project. I've been there myself for years. I'm happy to now be in a position not even have to think to donate tonight. Hopefully you too will get there soon too! Edit: and thanks for your contributions to netty and graphql-java!
- dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
  Thanks a lot! Hope I will too :).

dannyobrien 6y ago

Yep, I threw them $10 -- it was pretty easy (there was some strange scrolling problem on the first page, but I just hit the donate button and it went away) https://crowdfunding.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/projects/servo https://crowdfunding.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/projects/servo

rfvrgvegbegn 6y ago
Do we really have to created an account to donate ? I donate to Blender from time to time and I like how they just put an IBAN on their donation page ( https://www.blender.org/foundation/donation-payment/ https://www.blender.org/foundation/donation-payment/ ) I copy paste the IBAN in my e-banking app, send, done. Why here do I have to read pages and pages of privacy policy, create an account, give my email, etc.