> it still looks Java I think the Nimbus look is ok. [0] > It is still heavy, although start up speed are now better. It's certainly heavy. iirc NetBeans spi

> it still looks Java I think the Nimbus look is ok. [0] > It is still heavy, although start up speed are now better. It's certainly heavy. iirc NetBeans spins up over 20 threads even if you're not doing anything. As for startup times, is this on the same hardware? I imagine SSDs must help with NetBeans startup. > trying to use GCJ and SWT for Desktop Apps then, it was just too hard. There was a proprietary payware alternative to GCJ called Excelsior JET but it was discontinued 2 years ago. [1] [0] http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/b/b2/Vista_Nimbus_Screenshot_NBLookAndFeels.JPG http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/b/b2/Vista_Nimbus_Scree... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET