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Why is Mozilla not betting on Rust anymore?

by pqoek 6y ago

baq 6y ago
the CEO needs a new house.
- satyrnein 6y ago
  She's hardly the most overpaid CEO in tech, but she seems to come up pretty often for some reason.
  - MaxBarraclough 6y ago
    > for some reason This isn't a mystery. Mozilla accept donations. It isn't an ordinary for-profit corporation. Yes, they separate Mozilla Corporation from Mozilla Foundation, but the point stands. If Mozilla are going to claim to make browsers, apps, code and tools that put people before profit, [0] they should expect backlash when they lay off engineers while continuing to overpay their leadership, despite continuing poor outcomes under their stewardship. [1] [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/ [1] http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
  - simias 6y ago
    Some people have an axe to grind with Mozilla since that whole Brendan Eich thing, and on top of that there's just good old sexism. This all contributes to create a very toxic subject that I generally tend to avoid, but I think that it's fair at this point to question Mozilla's execs results at this point. These past few years have been pretty brutal for Mozilla, and there's no clear path ahead from where I stand.
    - pqoek 6y ago
      > good old sexism The only comment mentioning her gender was someone defending her, you're pulling hair here
      - jamienicol 6y ago
        yes because one can only be sexist by explicitly mentioning gender
vorpalhex 6y ago
Mozilla has decided to move to a different mission less about improving the web and more about enacting things that make them money, so they can continue to pay a large CEO salary and push policy objectives against free speech. Unfortunately Mozilla seemed to go from "awesome" to really disappointing in a very short time window.
- runarberg 6y ago
  > pay a large CEO salary Sure, I’ll buy that. > push policy objectives against free speech Can people please stop this latent homophobia? Mozilla fired a person who donated money to a deplorable cause. You can try to hide behind free speech, but we all know what this is about.
  - BearOso 6y ago
    > Can people please stop this latent homophobia? Mozilla fired a person who donated money to a deplorable cause. You can try to hide behind free speech, but we all know what this is about. He quit. And I don’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t exactly call his cause deplorable. People with those views can believe they’re being completely ethical. That was also in 2008, a different political climate, and nobody allowed him to learn from it or to restitute. Of course, I agree that wasn’t their downfall—it was simply misdirected goals and funding.
    - dralley 6y ago
      >He quit. And I don’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t exactly call his cause deplorable. The purpose of Proposition 8 was to remove the right to marry from gay couples - yes remove - because the courts had already granted them that right. If I was a gay Mozilla employee and I learned that my CEO wanted to remove rights which the legal system had already granted me, I would be so incredibly demoralized and pissed. Regardless of personal beliefs, it's a bad thing for a leader of a tech company to be doing if they want to retain talent.
      - nnethercote 6y ago
simias 6y ago
What even is Mozilla betting on at this point?
untog 6y ago
It seems like they're just not placing big bets now. Creating an entire new programming language is a big bet, one that I'd argue already looks like it's paid off, but Mozilla has decided their future is as a much leaner company that does fewer experiments. It really is a shame.
est31 6y ago
IDK they put a lot of resources into the quantum project and it didn't really increase their market share, in fact in Germany it dwindled more quickly. Now it's stabilized again IIRC but which signal does that send to management? The market didn't reward Rust adoption, as successful as the language is outside of the browser.

Why is Mozilla not betting on Rust anymore?

by pqoek 6y ago

Why is Mozilla not betting on Rust anymore?

baq 6y ago

the CEO needs a new house.

satyrnein 6y ago
She's hardly the most overpaid CEO in tech, but she seems to come up pretty often for some reason.
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago
  > for some reason This isn't a mystery. Mozilla accept donations. It isn't an ordinary for-profit corporation. Yes, they separate Mozilla Corporation from Mozilla Foundation, but the point stands. If Mozilla are going to claim to make browsers, apps, code and tools that put people before profit, [0] they should expect backlash when they lay off engineers while continuing to overpay their leadership, despite continuing poor outcomes under their stewardship. [1] [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/ [1] http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
- simias 6y ago
  Some people have an axe to grind with Mozilla since that whole Brendan Eich thing, and on top of that there's just good old sexism. This all contributes to create a very toxic subject that I generally tend to avoid, but I think that it's fair at this point to question Mozilla's execs results at this point. These past few years have been pretty brutal for Mozilla, and there's no clear path ahead from where I stand.
  - pqoek 6y ago
    > good old sexism The only comment mentioning her gender was someone defending her, you're pulling hair here
    - jamienicol 6y ago
      yes because one can only be sexist by explicitly mentioning gender

vorpalhex 6y ago

Mozilla has decided to move to a different mission less about improving the web and more about enacting things that make them money, so they can continue to pay a large CEO salary and push policy objectives against free speech. Unfortunately Mozilla seemed to go from "awesome" to really disappointing in a very short time window.

runarberg 6y ago
> pay a large CEO salary Sure, I’ll buy that. > push policy objectives against free speech Can people please stop this latent homophobia? Mozilla fired a person who donated money to a deplorable cause. You can try to hide behind free speech, but we all know what this is about.
- BearOso 6y ago
  > Can people please stop this latent homophobia? Mozilla fired a person who donated money to a deplorable cause. You can try to hide behind free speech, but we all know what this is about. He quit. And I don’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t exactly call his cause deplorable. People with those views can believe they’re being completely ethical. That was also in 2008, a different political climate, and nobody allowed him to learn from it or to restitute. Of course, I agree that wasn’t their downfall—it was simply misdirected goals and funding.
  - dralley 6y ago
    >He quit. And I don’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t exactly call his cause deplorable. The purpose of Proposition 8 was to remove the right to marry from gay couples - yes remove - because the courts had already granted them that right. If I was a gay Mozilla employee and I learned that my CEO wanted to remove rights which the legal system had already granted me, I would be so incredibly demoralized and pissed. Regardless of personal beliefs, it's a bad thing for a leader of a tech company to be doing if they want to retain talent.
    - nnethercote 6y ago

simias 6y ago

What even is Mozilla betting on at this point?

untog 6y ago

It seems like they're just not placing big bets now. Creating an entire new programming language is a big bet, one that I'd argue already looks like it's paid off, but Mozilla has decided their future is as a much leaner company that does fewer experiments. It really is a shame.

est31 6y ago

IDK they put a lot of resources into the quantum project and it didn't really increase their market share, in fact in Germany it dwindled more quickly. Now it's stabilized again IIRC but which signal does that send to management? The market didn't reward Rust adoption, as successful as the language is outside of the browser.