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Is any web developer planning to get the new Apple Silicon Macs? How's docker support (for ARM and x86 images)? Do the major IDEs work on Rosetta? What's suppo

Is any web developer planning to get the new Apple Silicon Macs? How's docker support (for ARM and x86 images)? Do the major IDEs work on Rosetta? What's support looking like for languages like GO, Rust now/in the near future?

cpuguy83 6y ago
All (-ish?) the core images have arm variants, and no need to change your "FROM" for those. Docker itself does not currently work on M1 Macs, though.
supermatt 6y ago
No docker support at present - will be just ARM images when it is ready.
kabes 6y ago
Docker is a wip: https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docker/ https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docke... .
- jaequery 6y ago
  Docker never really worked well on Mac to begin with. Can’t wait for it to work how it should have worked from day one.
dawnerd 6y ago
vscode is getting an arm build by end of month apparently. I use vscode's remote development feature so the m1 macs are actually perfect for me.
- AgloeDreams 6y ago
  There already is an insider build :)
  - dawnerd 6y ago
    Oh excellent!
steveklabnik 6y ago
Rust's Apple Silicon support is tracked here: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908
tonymet 6y ago
Docker images are meant to be built once and run everywhere–tested on your dev server, test environment and production. If you buy an ARM mac, it would be ideal to run ARM instances in the datacenter, but those are uncommon and expensive. I discourage people from building ARM images and then rebuilding intel images later in the software lifecycle.
- Skunkleton 6y ago
  For most people CI matching production should be enough. Even if there are issues with dev machines on a different architecture, I don't think that will be enough to stop people from grabbing the latest MBP when their next upgrade cycle appears.
- bengale 6y ago
  > If you buy an ARM mac, it would be ideal to run ARM instances in the datacenter, but those are uncommon and expensive. Graviton2 instances are cheaper to run.
- shmoogy 6y ago
  The AWS ARM instances are cheap and fast, highly recommend if your workload supports.
  - tonymet 6y ago
    no one uses them yet. If you're using them, buy an M1
odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
I just got one mbp. Still in box and will only open after dinner. If you want to ping me in a week or so for feedback: brunomtsousa @-that-G company-mail-service.com
- wildrhythms 6y ago
  Can you share some first impressions? I do front-end web dev mostly, using vim and sometimes VS Code, and usually with a Twitch stream in the background... thinking I might trade in this big 16-inch MBP for the M1 MBP.
  - odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
    Haven't setup the dev toolchain yet as it has been a busy day. First impressions, battery is amazing. I put a 4k youtube video playing and kept using the macbook, after 30 minutes the % was still the same. I tried some online cpu benchmarks that were supposed to put pressure on the cpu at 100% (activity monitor showed something like that) and running one of them for around 5-6 minutes ate around 3% of battery. Keyboard is a change from my mbp 15, it will take some time to get used to it. The most amazing thing, and I was using it side by side with the mbp 15 (i9 16Gb) is the M1 one (8gb) is so much snappier in Safari and opening apps. It really brings the 'joy' of iphone with the snappiness that things just move/show. I still haven't tried a lot of Rosetta or non-arm stuff so no idea there.
paxys 6y ago
I'm giving it another 6-10 months, and will probably pick up an actual "Pro" MacBook when they release one. All of what you mentioned should be supported by then as well.

cpuguy83 6y ago

All (-ish?) the core images have arm variants, and no need to change your "FROM" for those. Docker itself does not currently work on M1 Macs, though.

supermatt 6y ago

No docker support at present - will be just ARM images when it is ready.

kabes 6y ago

Docker is a wip: https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docker/ https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docke... .

jaequery 6y ago
Docker never really worked well on Mac to begin with. Can’t wait for it to work how it should have worked from day one.

dawnerd 6y ago

vscode is getting an arm build by end of month apparently. I use vscode's remote development feature so the m1 macs are actually perfect for me.

AgloeDreams 6y ago
There already is an insider build :)
- dawnerd 6y ago
  Oh excellent!

steveklabnik 6y ago

Rust's Apple Silicon support is tracked here: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908

tonymet 6y ago

Docker images are meant to be built once and run everywhere–tested on your dev server, test environment and production. If you buy an ARM mac, it would be ideal to run ARM instances in the datacenter, but those are uncommon and expensive. I discourage people from building ARM images and then rebuilding intel images later in the software lifecycle.

Skunkleton 6y ago
For most people CI matching production should be enough. Even if there are issues with dev machines on a different architecture, I don't think that will be enough to stop people from grabbing the latest MBP when their next upgrade cycle appears.
bengale 6y ago
> If you buy an ARM mac, it would be ideal to run ARM instances in the datacenter, but those are uncommon and expensive. Graviton2 instances are cheaper to run.
shmoogy 6y ago
The AWS ARM instances are cheap and fast, highly recommend if your workload supports.
- tonymet 6y ago
  no one uses them yet. If you're using them, buy an M1

odshoifsdhfs 6y ago

I just got one mbp. Still in box and will only open after dinner. If you want to ping me in a week or so for feedback: brunomtsousa @-that-G company-mail-service.com

wildrhythms 6y ago
Can you share some first impressions? I do front-end web dev mostly, using vim and sometimes VS Code, and usually with a Twitch stream in the background... thinking I might trade in this big 16-inch MBP for the M1 MBP.
- odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
  Haven't setup the dev toolchain yet as it has been a busy day. First impressions, battery is amazing. I put a 4k youtube video playing and kept using the macbook, after 30 minutes the % was still the same. I tried some online cpu benchmarks that were supposed to put pressure on the cpu at 100% (activity monitor showed something like that) and running one of them for around 5-6 minutes ate around 3% of battery. Keyboard is a change from my mbp 15, it will take some time to get used to it. The most amazing thing, and I was using it side by side with the mbp 15 (i9 16Gb) is the M1 one (8gb) is so much snappier in Safari and opening apps. It really brings the 'joy' of iphone with the snappiness that things just move/show. I still haven't tried a lot of Rosetta or non-arm stuff so no idea there.

paxys 6y ago

I'm giving it another 6-10 months, and will probably pick up an actual "Pro" MacBook when they release one. All of what you mentioned should be supported by then as well.