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If it was actually of value to you then you would have searched for it yourself. That you needed advertising to find it only shows the toxic effects of advertis

If it was actually of value to you then you would have searched for it yourself. That you needed advertising to find it only shows the toxic effects of advertising (convincing you that you needed a product that you actually didn't, and/or incentivizing the lobotomization of organic search so that you would go based on the ads instead).

elhudy 6y ago
I enjoy receiving targeted products or services which I wouldn't have otherwise known about. That isn't toxic; we live in a world with tens of millions of products being offered worldwide. Just because we don't come across them "organically" doesn't make their advertising toxic. I'm still an individual who makes a conscious purchase decision. >convincing you that you needed a product that you actually didn't What if it's convincing him that he needs a product that is actually of benefit to him, that he didn't know existed?
- salawat 6y ago
  It's an issue of Push vs. Pull. I don't want crap pushed on me without consent. Once you have consent, (which is me doing a pull of what you're offering), then it's okay. I'm surprised with all the controversy over consent in the last year or so that Tech and Ad companies still don't understand this. Then again, the wisdom of Upton Sinclair applies. --It is difficult to get someone to understand what their paycheck is dependent on them not understanding
  - elhudy 6y ago
    You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who disagrees on the issue of consent. The following is what I replied to though, and is unrelated to consent: >The user on the other hand gets no benefits, the society gets no benefits, and those who benefit are random people whose motives are unclear. This is blatantly false. In this thread alone there are multiple people who have stated they find benefit through targeted ads.
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renaudg 6y ago
“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” - Henry Ford. Several years ago I saw a Facebook ad for an online coaching program for aspiring music producers. It was exactly what I needed at the time, but I had no idea that someone had put something like this together, and I would never have independently thought of googling this. Instead, I relied on music production tutorials on the one hand, and generic productivity advice on the other hand, and assumed that was the best help available out there. That is just my anecdote, but I'm sure everyone here has their "how could I possibly live without this before" product or service. Advertising can be useful, and the more targeted, the less obnoxious.
- ivanche 6y ago
  It seems you're conflating innovation with marketing. It's perfectly legitimate for someone to invent a car. It's not, however, to cold call me or send me car catalogs or show me car ads on the web ad infinitum until I submit and buy one.
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  - Grimm1 6y ago
    I'm not a huge fan of targeted advertising but this strikes me as pretty hyperbolic.

elhudy 6y ago

I enjoy receiving targeted products or services which I wouldn't have otherwise known about. That isn't toxic; we live in a world with tens of millions of products being offered worldwide. Just because we don't come across them "organically" doesn't make their advertising toxic. I'm still an individual who makes a conscious purchase decision. >convincing you that you needed a product that you actually didn't What if it's convincing him that he needs a product that is actually of benefit to him, that he didn't know existed?

salawat 6y ago
It's an issue of Push vs. Pull. I don't want crap pushed on me without consent. Once you have consent, (which is me doing a pull of what you're offering), then it's okay. I'm surprised with all the controversy over consent in the last year or so that Tech and Ad companies still don't understand this. Then again, the wisdom of Upton Sinclair applies. --It is difficult to get someone to understand what their paycheck is dependent on them not understanding
- elhudy 6y ago
  You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who disagrees on the issue of consent. The following is what I replied to though, and is unrelated to consent: >The user on the other hand gets no benefits, the society gets no benefits, and those who benefit are random people whose motives are unclear. This is blatantly false. In this thread alone there are multiple people who have stated they find benefit through targeted ads.
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renaudg 6y ago

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” - Henry Ford. Several years ago I saw a Facebook ad for an online coaching program for aspiring music producers. It was exactly what I needed at the time, but I had no idea that someone had put something like this together, and I would never have independently thought of googling this. Instead, I relied on music production tutorials on the one hand, and generic productivity advice on the other hand, and assumed that was the best help available out there. That is just my anecdote, but I'm sure everyone here has their "how could I possibly live without this before" product or service. Advertising can be useful, and the more targeted, the less obnoxious.

ivanche 6y ago
It seems you're conflating innovation with marketing. It's perfectly legitimate for someone to invent a car. It's not, however, to cold call me or send me car catalogs or show me car ads on the web ad infinitum until I submit and buy one.
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- Grimm1 6y ago
  I'm not a huge fan of targeted advertising but this strikes me as pretty hyperbolic.