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Books that get banned will only get more popular. Sooner or later it backfires. This is what happens when the society becomes so childish and immature that th

Books that get banned will only get more popular. Sooner or later it backfires. This is what happens when the society becomes so childish and immature that they would rather ban something than to try and understand what caused the book to be written. Once you start banning X, you will move on to banning Y sooner or later. Then it will be Z, and sooner or later the things you like and do in your everyday life. Adult children.

treeman79 6y ago
Backfire yes. But how many people will die until it does? People bent on banning, then burning books, then destroying statuses don’t normally stop.
- watwut 6y ago
  Fun fact: after communism fell in Eastern Europe and after nazism fell in germamy and after Irak lost, they all took down statuses. I particularly don't mind Stalin or Lenin status going down. There are videos on YouTube of these. There is this idea that taking down celebratory monument to something is inherently bad, but I don't really think it is workable general rule.
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  - agustif 6y ago
    Also 2020 america is big on dismantling statuses of historical figures too, look for those gone columbus statues... [1] Politicians moving money so they can profit... Nothing else about this in my opinion... [1](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christopher-columbus-statue-removed-cities/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christopher-columbus-statue-rem...)
    - treeman79 6y ago
      America destroying statues is part of the worrying trend. There is fixing problems, then there is burning society to the ground. Lincoln being torn down? https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/12/portland-protesters-tear-down-roosevelt-lincoln-statues-during-day-of-rage/ https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/12/portland-protesters-t...
    - watwut 6y ago
      Columbus was actually cruel psychopath. Even his contemporaries complained.
- krapp 6y ago
  >People bent on banning, then burning books, then destroying statuses don’t normally stop. I don't think its likely that Burbank schools removing To Kill A Mockingbird from their curriculum is going to lead to mass murder but ok.
  - mckirk 6y ago
    I think it's more the sentiment shown through such actions that is the worrying part. "This is wrong, we need to remove it" is a terrible way of dealing with things/ideas/people you don't agree with.
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- tzs 6y ago
  The Confederate memorials that were actually erected reasonably after the war ended tended to be memorials to the people who died in the way. I see no reason to take these down. But more of the Confederate statues we now have were built long after that, and not as memorials to those who died. Most were erected around 1900-20, when Jim Crow laws were being widely enacted, and in the 1950s and 60s, when the civil rights movement was ramping up. They were built as symbols of white supremacy to send a message. I see no reason to keep those up. It wasn't just monuments that got built or change to oppose black civil rights. A similar thing happened with the Georgia state flag. It had long had a blue vertical stripe on the left and red/white/red horizontal stripes on the right. Then the left got what appears to be a Minuteman standing next to some columns that have banners that say "Constitution", "Justice", "Wisdom", and "Moderation". That was in 1902. In 1906 they added "Georgia" to that and 1799, and made the design of the columns more stylized and uglier. (This also changed the way "Moderation" line wrapped, from "Moder" "ation" to "Mode" "ration", so you might mistake it for two words). In 1920 that changed to a circular thing with "State of Georgia" and 1776 on the outside, and a simple blue and white set of columns with the Minuteman, and "Moderation" back to sensible line breaking. I think this matched or is similar to the state seal. And then in 1956, with black people pushing harder for equal rights, Georgia replaced the right side of the flag, the part that had been three red/white/red horizontal stripes, was replaced with the Confederate battle flag. This was adopted amidst a slew of bills adopted at the same time designed to protect segregation and white supremacy. This was all in response to Brown v. Board of Education. They partly got rid of that in 2001, going to a blue background with the columns/Minuteman seal things, and a banner below that labeled "Georgia's History", which had images of five small flags in it: the original 13 colonies flag, three Georgia flags (ending with the one with the Confederate battle flag), and the current US flag. Finally in 2003 they adopted their current flag: 3 red/white/red stripes with a blue inset in the upper left containing a circle of 13 stars around the Minuteman/Column thing, much more tastefully done than any of its past versions. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues-were-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues... https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confede...

treeman79 6y ago

Backfire yes. But how many people will die until it does? People bent on banning, then burning books, then destroying statuses don’t normally stop.

watwut 6y ago
Fun fact: after communism fell in Eastern Europe and after nazism fell in germamy and after Irak lost, they all took down statuses. I particularly don't mind Stalin or Lenin status going down. There are videos on YouTube of these. There is this idea that taking down celebratory monument to something is inherently bad, but I don't really think it is workable general rule.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- agustif 6y ago
  Also 2020 america is big on dismantling statuses of historical figures too, look for those gone columbus statues... [1] Politicians moving money so they can profit... Nothing else about this in my opinion... [1](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christopher-columbus-statue-removed-cities/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christopher-columbus-statue-rem...)
  - treeman79 6y ago
    America destroying statues is part of the worrying trend. There is fixing problems, then there is burning society to the ground. Lincoln being torn down? https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/12/portland-protesters-tear-down-roosevelt-lincoln-statues-during-day-of-rage/ https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/12/portland-protesters-t...
  - watwut 6y ago
    Columbus was actually cruel psychopath. Even his contemporaries complained.
krapp 6y ago
>People bent on banning, then burning books, then destroying statuses don’t normally stop. I don't think its likely that Burbank schools removing To Kill A Mockingbird from their curriculum is going to lead to mass murder but ok.
- mckirk 6y ago
  I think it's more the sentiment shown through such actions that is the worrying part. "This is wrong, we need to remove it" is a terrible way of dealing with things/ideas/people you don't agree with.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
tzs 6y ago
The Confederate memorials that were actually erected reasonably after the war ended tended to be memorials to the people who died in the way. I see no reason to take these down. But more of the Confederate statues we now have were built long after that, and not as memorials to those who died. Most were erected around 1900-20, when Jim Crow laws were being widely enacted, and in the 1950s and 60s, when the civil rights movement was ramping up. They were built as symbols of white supremacy to send a message. I see no reason to keep those up. It wasn't just monuments that got built or change to oppose black civil rights. A similar thing happened with the Georgia state flag. It had long had a blue vertical stripe on the left and red/white/red horizontal stripes on the right. Then the left got what appears to be a Minuteman standing next to some columns that have banners that say "Constitution", "Justice", "Wisdom", and "Moderation". That was in 1902. In 1906 they added "Georgia" to that and 1799, and made the design of the columns more stylized and uglier. (This also changed the way "Moderation" line wrapped, from "Moder" "ation" to "Mode" "ration", so you might mistake it for two words). In 1920 that changed to a circular thing with "State of Georgia" and 1776 on the outside, and a simple blue and white set of columns with the Minuteman, and "Moderation" back to sensible line breaking. I think this matched or is similar to the state seal. And then in 1956, with black people pushing harder for equal rights, Georgia replaced the right side of the flag, the part that had been three red/white/red horizontal stripes, was replaced with the Confederate battle flag. This was adopted amidst a slew of bills adopted at the same time designed to protect segregation and white supremacy. This was all in response to Brown v. Board of Education. They partly got rid of that in 2001, going to a blue background with the columns/Minuteman seal things, and a banner below that labeled "Georgia's History", which had images of five small flags in it: the original 13 colonies flag, three Georgia flags (ending with the one with the Confederate battle flag), and the current US flag. Finally in 2003 they adopted their current flag: 3 red/white/red stripes with a blue inset in the upper left containing a circle of 13 stars around the Minuteman/Column thing, much more tastefully done than any of its past versions. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues-were-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues... https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confede...