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I do agree that Swiss laws are generally good, but consumer protection is significantly worse than for example the EU. For many things, a EU person will take so

I do agree that Swiss laws are generally good, but consumer protection is significantly worse than for example the EU. For many things, a EU person will take something for granted and get screwed over, mostly in terms of strange socially accepted norms + "if it's in the AGB (terms of service) good luck arguing/defending".

onebot 6y ago
Switzerland isn't part of the EU.
- nix23 6y ago
  That's why he compared it WITH the EU.
nix23 6y ago
>I do agree that Swiss laws are generally good, but consumer protection is significantly worse than for example the EU. I'm Swiss and i have to tell you that your 100% right! Even the ~good privacy was slaughtered with the last Secret service law. The NDB (the Swiss CIA/NSA-komplex) has a really mixed past. Started with the CryptoAG Skandal (aka never trust/buy Swiss security Products ever), the Data-leak (everyone had access to any digital datas...), and the Fichen-skandal (where the NDB/UNA wanted to be a bit more like the Stasi in east germany)
mfsch 6y ago
> "if it's in the AGB (terms of service) good luck arguing/defending" It might be hard to argue without suing, but legally there are provisions that if the AGB contain “surprising” terms, you have to be made specifically aware of them or they are invalid. There is currently a high-stakes case building because of this: Some of the epidemics insurances for restaurants had a provision that “pandemics” are excluded and won’t pay out for COVID-19, now restaurants are suing. https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/epidemie-versicherer-kein-geld-trotz-praemie-wirte-klagen-gegen-epidemie-versicherer https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/epidemie-versicherer-kein-ge...
- nix23 6y ago
  The whole Swiss government is insurer friendly/best buddy, since last year the insurer can change the contract on his side without you to have to accept it...it's disgusting. Also the lobby is really big...even bigger then the financial lobby: https://www.nau.ch/politik/bundeshaus/so-viel-geld-pumpen-schweizer-firmen-in-die-politik-65596012 https://www.nau.ch/politik/bundeshaus/so-viel-geld-pumpen-sc... And that is the real interesting graphic: https://c.nau.ch/i/RNNxO/1360/spenden.jpg https://c.nau.ch/i/RNNxO/1360/spenden.jpg

onebot 6y ago

Switzerland isn't part of the EU.

nix23 6y ago
That's why he compared it WITH the EU.

nix23 6y ago

>I do agree that Swiss laws are generally good, but consumer protection is significantly worse than for example the EU. I'm Swiss and i have to tell you that your 100% right! Even the ~good privacy was slaughtered with the last Secret service law. The NDB (the Swiss CIA/NSA-komplex) has a really mixed past. Started with the CryptoAG Skandal (aka never trust/buy Swiss security Products ever), the Data-leak (everyone had access to any digital datas...), and the Fichen-skandal (where the NDB/UNA wanted to be a bit more like the Stasi in east germany)

mfsch 6y ago

> "if it's in the AGB (terms of service) good luck arguing/defending" It might be hard to argue without suing, but legally there are provisions that if the AGB contain “surprising” terms, you have to be made specifically aware of them or they are invalid. There is currently a high-stakes case building because of this: Some of the epidemics insurances for restaurants had a provision that “pandemics” are excluded and won’t pay out for COVID-19, now restaurants are suing. https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/epidemie-versicherer-kein-geld-trotz-praemie-wirte-klagen-gegen-epidemie-versicherer https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/epidemie-versicherer-kein-ge...

nix23 6y ago
The whole Swiss government is insurer friendly/best buddy, since last year the insurer can change the contract on his side without you to have to accept it...it's disgusting. Also the lobby is really big...even bigger then the financial lobby: https://www.nau.ch/politik/bundeshaus/so-viel-geld-pumpen-schweizer-firmen-in-die-politik-65596012 https://www.nau.ch/politik/bundeshaus/so-viel-geld-pumpen-sc... And that is the real interesting graphic: https://c.nau.ch/i/RNNxO/1360/spenden.jpg https://c.nau.ch/i/RNNxO/1360/spenden.jpg