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"A key point about Sweden is it appears they had a lot of people behaving responsibly despite not using the force of law." Mandated lockdowns are precisely for

"A key point about Sweden is it appears they had a lot of people behaving responsibly despite not using the force of law." Mandated lockdowns are precisely for the people who don't voluntarily behave responsibly. And damn Sweden has a lot of them too. Worse, those in charge used their authority to mandate NOT using masks: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surr... https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/ https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/ Swedes failed each other, and the failure to employ legal authority effectively meant their government did too. And their economy is no better for it https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-c...

zepto 6y ago
Sounds like you are saying they didn’t have a lockdown but should have had. It’s worth pointing out that roca’s comment contradicts you about Sweden’s compliance rate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25118200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25118200
- Sporktacular 6y ago
  I certainly am, and think roca's claims aren't supported by the sources I provided. My reply was partly because of the sentence "The fact that the Swedish government made recommendations that Swedes followed without using force of law is interesting, and informative." However if you weren't claiming that Swedes followed recommendations and meant it as a conditional then I misdirected my reply.
  - zepto 6y ago
    That makes sense. I could have been clearer and qualified my statement with “If as Roca claims”, rather than “The fact that”. I was replying to Roca and just taking their facts at face value.
  - roca 6y ago
    Your three sources in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25119518 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25119518 do not seem to mention compliance at all. They are all arguing that the restrictions requested by the Swedish government were too weak, which I absolutely agree with. Can you quote sources saying compliance with the government's requests was low? Because I see, for example, https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-lessons/ https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-lessons/: > 93 percent of the population say they are following social-distancing recommendations. https://www.government.se/articles/2020/06/social-distancing-and-markedly-reduced-travel-in-sweden/ https://www.government.se/articles/2020/06/social-distancing...: > Swedes are largely following the advice and recommendations issued by the Public Health Agency of Sweden. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133: > a survey released this week by Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency suggests 87% of the population are continuing to follow social distancing recommendations to the same extent as they were one or two weeks earlier, up from 82% a month ago. [It does also say "there have been reports of large gatherings and mingling in some tourist hotspots since domestic travel restrictions were relaxed last month" but that is anecdotal.] Reports like these formed my view that compliance with the (inadequate!!!) Swedish government restrictions has been high (though I have also read reports of decreasing compliance lately, consistent with trends in other countries). Perhaps these reports were never accurate but I'd want to see sources saying so.

zepto 6y ago

Sounds like you are saying they didn’t have a lockdown but should have had. It’s worth pointing out that roca’s comment contradicts you about Sweden’s compliance rate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25118200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25118200

Sporktacular 6y ago
I certainly am, and think roca's claims aren't supported by the sources I provided. My reply was partly because of the sentence "The fact that the Swedish government made recommendations that Swedes followed without using force of law is interesting, and informative." However if you weren't claiming that Swedes followed recommendations and meant it as a conditional then I misdirected my reply.
- zepto 6y ago
  That makes sense. I could have been clearer and qualified my statement with “If as Roca claims”, rather than “The fact that”. I was replying to Roca and just taking their facts at face value.
- roca 6y ago
  Your three sources in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25119518 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25119518 do not seem to mention compliance at all. They are all arguing that the restrictions requested by the Swedish government were too weak, which I absolutely agree with. Can you quote sources saying compliance with the government's requests was low? Because I see, for example, https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-lessons/ https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-lessons/: > 93 percent of the population say they are following social-distancing recommendations. https://www.government.se/articles/2020/06/social-distancing-and-markedly-reduced-travel-in-sweden/ https://www.government.se/articles/2020/06/social-distancing...: > Swedes are largely following the advice and recommendations issued by the Public Health Agency of Sweden. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133: > a survey released this week by Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency suggests 87% of the population are continuing to follow social distancing recommendations to the same extent as they were one or two weeks earlier, up from 82% a month ago. [It does also say "there have been reports of large gatherings and mingling in some tourist hotspots since domestic travel restrictions were relaxed last month" but that is anecdotal.] Reports like these formed my view that compliance with the (inadequate!!!) Swedish government restrictions has been high (though I have also read reports of decreasing compliance lately, consistent with trends in other countries). Perhaps these reports were never accurate but I'd want to see sources saying so.