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Yeah, I'm sure the increased suicide rate, drug overdoses, and alcohol related deaths are just childish feet kicking. They hate wearing masks so much that they

by dx87 6y ago

Yeah, I'm sure the increased suicide rate, drug overdoses, and alcohol related deaths are just childish feet kicking. They hate wearing masks so much that they kill themself instead.

moron4hire 6y ago
Ask a bunch of self-centered people to stay home and suddenly they become experts on all the suicides the kids are doing. You are just bringing that up to argue.
- bananaquant 6y ago
  Of course not, that's what the experts are for. I couldn't find much about young people, but data on adults should be suggestive enough (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770146 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...): "In this survey study that included 1441 respondents from during the COVID-19 pandemic and 5065 respondents from before the pandemic, depression symptom prevalence was more than 3-fold higher during the COVID-19 pandemic than before." And not to antagonize you, but just a post earlier you were talking about protecting people in your community. Caring about their wellbeing is one of the ways of doing that.
  - davrosthedalek 6y ago
    Was the depression higher because they had to stay home because of a mandate, because they had to stay home because they were scared of the pandemic, because they were scared of the pandemic, or because the pandemic killed their friends/family, or because they had empathy with all the people who lost friends/family/employment because of the pandemic?
  - DanBC 6y ago
    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6xGYgX9az&keytype=ref https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6... > Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.
couchand 6y ago
Citation needed.
- wk_end 6y ago
  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/predictions-suicides-overdoses-domestic-abuse-covid-coming-true/story?id=73836752 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/predictions-suicides-overdoses... There's been tons of articles and research supporting this if you care to look. And honestly, while citations are always good, this claim is so common-sensical that the knee-jerk "Citation needed.", as though OP were suggesting that there was a teapot floating in space halfway between here and Mars, comes off as unnecessarily disrespectful.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Here's some stuff from actual research orgs, and we haven't yet seen an increase in deaths by suicide. http://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=51861 http://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=51861 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6xGYgX9az&keytype=ref https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6... Lots of caution needed about the data, and these are early data and the situation may change so we do need to pay attention to prevention, but: > Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.

by dx87 6y ago

Yeah, I'm sure the increased suicide rate, drug overdoses, and alcohol related deaths are just childish feet kicking. They hate wearing masks so much that they kill themself instead.

moron4hire 6y ago

Ask a bunch of self-centered people to stay home and suddenly they become experts on all the suicides the kids are doing. You are just bringing that up to argue.

bananaquant 6y ago
Of course not, that's what the experts are for. I couldn't find much about young people, but data on adults should be suggestive enough (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770146 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...): "In this survey study that included 1441 respondents from during the COVID-19 pandemic and 5065 respondents from before the pandemic, depression symptom prevalence was more than 3-fold higher during the COVID-19 pandemic than before." And not to antagonize you, but just a post earlier you were talking about protecting people in your community. Caring about their wellbeing is one of the ways of doing that.
- davrosthedalek 6y ago
  Was the depression higher because they had to stay home because of a mandate, because they had to stay home because they were scared of the pandemic, because they were scared of the pandemic, or because the pandemic killed their friends/family, or because they had empathy with all the people who lost friends/family/employment because of the pandemic?
- DanBC 6y ago
  https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6xGYgX9az&keytype=ref https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6... > Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.

couchand 6y ago

Citation needed.

wk_end 6y ago
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/predictions-suicides-overdoses-domestic-abuse-covid-coming-true/story?id=73836752 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/predictions-suicides-overdoses... There's been tons of articles and research supporting this if you care to look. And honestly, while citations are always good, this claim is so common-sensical that the knee-jerk "Citation needed.", as though OP were suggesting that there was a teapot floating in space halfway between here and Mars, comes off as unnecessarily disrespectful.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Here's some stuff from actual research orgs, and we haven't yet seen an increase in deaths by suicide. http://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=51861 http://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=51861 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6xGYgX9az&keytype=ref https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6... Lots of caution needed about the data, and these are early data and the situation may change so we do need to pay attention to prevention, but: > Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.