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You’re comparing a low-power CPU used in Apple’s low-end MacOS devices to a state of the art (released Q3 2020) high-end 28W TDP CPU from Intel.

rowanG077 6y ago
I'm comparing the M1 to a cpu that would have been used in a Macbook pro 13 if it weren't for the M1 soc. The current i7 intel Macbook pro 13 inch has the 1068NG7 model. Which is in fact a better cpu then the 1065g. Which is last gens 1165g. So I think this comparison is completely valid.
- fvdessen 6y ago
  But it is 28 watts to the M1's 10 watts
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    True, in perf per watt M1 does an incredible job I'd wager. But I'm not interested in that. I simply want the highest performance in a 13 inch formfactor. Apple marketing material said the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin. Now it turns out it's actually slower then their own laptop would be with a refreshed intel chip. That's what dissapoints me.
    - alwillis 6y ago
      Apple's marketing material said the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin. Could you provide a link to the marketing material that says the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin? The M1 press release says "The World’s Best CPU Performance per Watt". That's true. The M1 MacBook press release says "And with M1, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is up to 3x faster than the best-selling Windows laptop in its class." The fine print: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i7-based PC systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics and the latest version of Windows 10 available at the time of testing. Best-selling system based on publicly available sales data over the last nine months. Translation: those laptops you see at Best Buy that are in the $800–$1200 range? Yeah, we blows those things out the water. By a lot.
- roseway4 6y ago
  If we’re comparing low-end apples to apples, the bottom-end Intel MacBook Pro (MacBookPro16,3) has an i5 part (Coffee Lake 8257U)[1] and would be a better comparison. I don’t think I’ve seen any indication from Apple the current M1 13” is all we’re going to see in this form factor. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    The price difference is only like 300 dollars so pretending that one is low end and the other high end is not really true here. They are both high end devices. I can't buy this hypothetical stronger arm Macbook so it means nothing. Apple's marketing material said the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin. Now it turns out it's actually slower then their own laptop would be with a refreshed intel chip. That's what dissapoints me.
    - my123 6y ago
      It does blow Tiger Lake out of the water. (and btw, barely gets ahead of it on single core perf with 11.0.1 as an update) On multicore, Tiger Lake blows well beyond its TDP range and throttles hard, ending with a 6070 score on MT for the 1165G7. (in CB R23)
    - misterdabb 6y ago
      It's not really slower. It's comparable, with some clear benefits. But yeah, reality is caching up. Apple is performance-wise matching their competitors (was clear from how they positioned m1 products that this would be the case). Now one can say that it's lower power and low end, but then we can also say that when especially AMD catches up to 5nm (within a year) and adds on-chip memory (within 2 years) they'd be ahead, with a chip with the same die size..

rowanG077 6y ago

I'm comparing the M1 to a cpu that would have been used in a Macbook pro 13 if it weren't for the M1 soc. The current i7 intel Macbook pro 13 inch has the 1068NG7 model. Which is in fact a better cpu then the 1065g. Which is last gens 1165g. So I think this comparison is completely valid.

fvdessen 6y ago
But it is 28 watts to the M1's 10 watts
- rowanG077 6y ago
  True, in perf per watt M1 does an incredible job I'd wager. But I'm not interested in that. I simply want the highest performance in a 13 inch formfactor. Apple marketing material said the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin. Now it turns out it's actually slower then their own laptop would be with a refreshed intel chip. That's what dissapoints me.
  - alwillis 6y ago
    Apple's marketing material said the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin. Could you provide a link to the marketing material that says the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin? The M1 press release says "The World’s Best CPU Performance per Watt". That's true. The M1 MacBook press release says "And with M1, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is up to 3x faster than the best-selling Windows laptop in its class." The fine print: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i7-based PC systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics and the latest version of Windows 10 available at the time of testing. Best-selling system based on publicly available sales data over the last nine months. Translation: those laptops you see at Best Buy that are in the $800–$1200 range? Yeah, we blows those things out the water. By a lot.
roseway4 6y ago
If we’re comparing low-end apples to apples, the bottom-end Intel MacBook Pro (MacBookPro16,3) has an i5 part (Coffee Lake 8257U)[1] and would be a better comparison. I don’t think I’ve seen any indication from Apple the current M1 13” is all we’re going to see in this form factor. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro
- rowanG077 6y ago
  The price difference is only like 300 dollars so pretending that one is low end and the other high end is not really true here. They are both high end devices. I can't buy this hypothetical stronger arm Macbook so it means nothing. Apple's marketing material said the M1 would blow everything out of the water with a HUGE margin. Now it turns out it's actually slower then their own laptop would be with a refreshed intel chip. That's what dissapoints me.
  - my123 6y ago
    It does blow Tiger Lake out of the water. (and btw, barely gets ahead of it on single core perf with 11.0.1 as an update) On multicore, Tiger Lake blows well beyond its TDP range and throttles hard, ending with a 6070 score on MT for the 1165G7. (in CB R23)
  - misterdabb 6y ago
    It's not really slower. It's comparable, with some clear benefits. But yeah, reality is caching up. Apple is performance-wise matching their competitors (was clear from how they positioned m1 products that this would be the case). Now one can say that it's lower power and low end, but then we can also say that when especially AMD catches up to 5nm (within a year) and adds on-chip memory (within 2 years) they'd be ahead, with a chip with the same die size..