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so is fox news spreading blatant lies or theories without evidence , so not only internet, but tv, radio or any other broadcasting thing.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Newspapers, too - see "yellow journalism" a century or more ago. Ultimately, it all comes back to the printing press. The ability to spread information has always been a threat to the powers that be. Oh, wait, Obama said "democracy", not "powers that be". Well... I will admit that I am concerned that on the internet, the feedback loops are too tight, so that hot takes crowd out reasonable thought. That's a formula for gut reactions, which isn't great for democracy. But the parent has a point, too, that this is said about every medium at some point. I fear that Obama is right. I also fear that this is the usual "threatening the powers that be/the existing order" complaint, and that any proposed solution will be worse than the problem. Not sure where that leaves me...
- loopz 6y ago
  Actively discourage those who spread lies, desinformation and don't contribute. KISS.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    See, the problem is that I don't know of a simple way to actively discourage those who spread lies and disinformation, without also actively discouraging those who spread truth that most people don't yet agree with. I'm not really OK with unpopular truths becoming collateral damage in the war against lies and disinformation.
    - loopz 6y ago
      It's tough but people need to learn it: https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2016/06/20-diversion-tactics-highly-manipulative-narcissists-sociopaths-and-psychopaths-use-to-silence-you/ https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2016/06/20-diversio... https://medium.com/impactful-changes-hypnosis/gaslighting-101-how-to-catch-an-abuser-a13d04467e76 https://medium.com/impactful-changes-hypnosis/gaslighting-10... https://positivepsychology.com/gaslighting-emotional-abuse/ https://positivepsychology.com/gaslighting-emotional-abuse/
    - gremlinsinc 6y ago
      A social network where you rate other people from left to right. You also rank articles with truthyness and quality. Let the people become the judge of truth, but in a more transparent way. If i comment on an article in a socialist way, you'd mark me leftist. So my comments then are highlighted in shades of blue depending on how far left my ranking is by other community members. Likewise for Trump supporters. Articles could also be ranked / flagged as dangerous (inciting hate, violence, etc) and be removed or at least boldened, or as hackernews does greyed out, so it's less prominent without complete dismissal, yet let the person not see the greying or know they've been greyed. Something along those lines, I'm sure other tweaks could be made to make a platform like twitter that's more democratically policed - that keeps as much content as possible, but is very transparent on where that content lie in truth / political slant.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

Newspapers, too - see "yellow journalism" a century or more ago. Ultimately, it all comes back to the printing press. The ability to spread information has always been a threat to the powers that be. Oh, wait, Obama said "democracy", not "powers that be". Well... I will admit that I am concerned that on the internet, the feedback loops are too tight, so that hot takes crowd out reasonable thought. That's a formula for gut reactions, which isn't great for democracy. But the parent has a point, too, that this is said about every medium at some point. I fear that Obama is right. I also fear that this is the usual "threatening the powers that be/the existing order" complaint, and that any proposed solution will be worse than the problem. Not sure where that leaves me...

loopz 6y ago
Actively discourage those who spread lies, desinformation and don't contribute. KISS.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  See, the problem is that I don't know of a simple way to actively discourage those who spread lies and disinformation, without also actively discouraging those who spread truth that most people don't yet agree with. I'm not really OK with unpopular truths becoming collateral damage in the war against lies and disinformation.
  - loopz 6y ago
    It's tough but people need to learn it: https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2016/06/20-diversion-tactics-highly-manipulative-narcissists-sociopaths-and-psychopaths-use-to-silence-you/ https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2016/06/20-diversio... https://medium.com/impactful-changes-hypnosis/gaslighting-101-how-to-catch-an-abuser-a13d04467e76 https://medium.com/impactful-changes-hypnosis/gaslighting-10... https://positivepsychology.com/gaslighting-emotional-abuse/ https://positivepsychology.com/gaslighting-emotional-abuse/
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    A social network where you rate other people from left to right. You also rank articles with truthyness and quality. Let the people become the judge of truth, but in a more transparent way. If i comment on an article in a socialist way, you'd mark me leftist. So my comments then are highlighted in shades of blue depending on how far left my ranking is by other community members. Likewise for Trump supporters. Articles could also be ranked / flagged as dangerous (inciting hate, violence, etc) and be removed or at least boldened, or as hackernews does greyed out, so it's less prominent without complete dismissal, yet let the person not see the greying or know they've been greyed. Something along those lines, I'm sure other tweaks could be made to make a platform like twitter that's more democratically policed - that keeps as much content as possible, but is very transparent on where that content lie in truth / political slant.