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I did look it up myself. I used the 7 day moving average to get more stable results and Germany is 2x better than the US in new cases/deaths per million right n

I did look it up myself. I used the 7 day moving average to get more stable results and Germany is 2x better than the US in new cases/deaths per million right now even while having 3 to 5x less cases/death in total since the start which means it also has a more vulnerable population at this point. I didn't pick Germany, you did, and claimed it was "much worse". And it's not the best case, there are several countries doing better or much better than Germany. As for the other examples Europe is now having a second wave after successfully suppressing the first one. The US has never suppressed the pandemic, or at best is now at a third wave, and thus has a currently less susceptible population from all the cases and deaths it has already had. And even then it's still having more new cases and new deaths than the well managed countries in Europe (Germany, Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc). It's hardly in a better situation right now as you claim. The worst countries in Europe are at the US accumulated average, some are catching up but the US is also spiking right now.

esja 6y ago
Over the past few weeks (i.e. right now), the number of deaths per capita in the European country I live in is far higher than the number of deaths per capita in the USA. Some of the best hospitals on Earth are running out of ICU beds. My country is not alone in this, as you can see in the numbers I provided. This is the context for my response to the original commenter. You have a different way of measuring the problem and you are extrapolating into the future, and that is also fine. We are just making different points.
- pedrocr 6y ago
  I'm not measuring different things. I've used initially the definition that seemed most appropriate to me as you didn't provide any and then the definition you chose. You're now using as an example an unnamed country. With the examples you gave it wasn't true in either of the metrics.
  - esja 6y ago
    I've been using daily deaths per capita and all the examples are correct by that metric. Switzerland today: - 4560 lab confirmed cases - 19'495 tests - 23,4% positivity rate - 299 hospitalised - 142 deaths That's equivalent to 5400 deaths occurring today in the USA. In recent days the USA had the following deaths: 740, 656, 1258, 1471, 1185. So by this measure things are FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AS BAD in Switzerland as they are in the USA.
    - pedrocr 6y ago
      I've already given you the numbers for Germany which was your other example. It is actually 2x better than the US. Your claim was "most of highly-developed Europe". Germany isn't even the best case and the total EU metric also says the opposite.
      - esja 6y ago
        It is absolutely not 2x better than the USA. They had 196 deaths today which is equivalent to 772 in the USA, where there were 740 deaths yesterday. It's very easy to look up other countries e.g. Czechia where things are far worse.
        pedrocr 6y ago
        Germany is at 177 deaths per day with 84 million people, for 2.1 deaths per million per day. The US is at 1170 deaths per day with 332 million people, for 3.5 deaths per million per day. That's a factor of 1.7x worse by the US. In number of new cases it's worse. You're doing math with the "Today" numbers that are not always reliable because not all US states have reported sometimes. The 7 day moving average numbers are more reliable. It's also very easy to lookup countries like Denmark, Finland and Norway that are much much better. Picking individual small countries is not a great methodology, particularly Czechia that did extremely well in the first wave and thus has a much more susceptible population.
        esja 6y ago
        I accept your point re Germany. It's not materially worse there right now. But back to the original argument. How are the UK, France, Poland and Italy doing? Those are big European countries. UK: 213 deaths France: 506 deaths Poland: 357 deaths Italy: 731 deaths 231 million people, 1807 deaths, more than 2x as bad as the USA. And that's before adding Switzerland, Czechia, and other countries where things are worse. It's also irrelevant that Czechia did well in the first wave. This is about who is doing worse right now as measured by actual humans dying. The reasons don't matter.

esja 6y ago

Over the past few weeks (i.e. right now), the number of deaths per capita in the European country I live in is far higher than the number of deaths per capita in the USA. Some of the best hospitals on Earth are running out of ICU beds. My country is not alone in this, as you can see in the numbers I provided. This is the context for my response to the original commenter. You have a different way of measuring the problem and you are extrapolating into the future, and that is also fine. We are just making different points.

pedrocr 6y ago
I'm not measuring different things. I've used initially the definition that seemed most appropriate to me as you didn't provide any and then the definition you chose. You're now using as an example an unnamed country. With the examples you gave it wasn't true in either of the metrics.
- esja 6y ago
  I've been using daily deaths per capita and all the examples are correct by that metric. Switzerland today: - 4560 lab confirmed cases - 19'495 tests - 23,4% positivity rate - 299 hospitalised - 142 deaths That's equivalent to 5400 deaths occurring today in the USA. In recent days the USA had the following deaths: 740, 656, 1258, 1471, 1185. So by this measure things are FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AS BAD in Switzerland as they are in the USA.
  - pedrocr 6y ago
    I've already given you the numbers for Germany which was your other example. It is actually 2x better than the US. Your claim was "most of highly-developed Europe". Germany isn't even the best case and the total EU metric also says the opposite.
    - esja 6y ago
      It is absolutely not 2x better than the USA. They had 196 deaths today which is equivalent to 772 in the USA, where there were 740 deaths yesterday. It's very easy to look up other countries e.g. Czechia where things are far worse.
      - pedrocr 6y ago
        Germany is at 177 deaths per day with 84 million people, for 2.1 deaths per million per day. The US is at 1170 deaths per day with 332 million people, for 3.5 deaths per million per day. That's a factor of 1.7x worse by the US. In number of new cases it's worse. You're doing math with the "Today" numbers that are not always reliable because not all US states have reported sometimes. The 7 day moving average numbers are more reliable. It's also very easy to lookup countries like Denmark, Finland and Norway that are much much better. Picking individual small countries is not a great methodology, particularly Czechia that did extremely well in the first wave and thus has a much more susceptible population.
        esja 6y ago
        I accept your point re Germany. It's not materially worse there right now. But back to the original argument. How are the UK, France, Poland and Italy doing? Those are big European countries. UK: 213 deaths France: 506 deaths Poland: 357 deaths Italy: 731 deaths 231 million people, 1807 deaths, more than 2x as bad as the USA. And that's before adding Switzerland, Czechia, and other countries where things are worse. It's also irrelevant that Czechia did well in the first wave. This is about who is doing worse right now as measured by actual humans dying. The reasons don't matter.