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They sure are careful not to show the graphs on how many people actually end up in hospital! Can’t wait for all the self congratulatory articles about how Swed

They sure are careful not to show the graphs on how many people actually end up in hospital! Can’t wait for all the self congratulatory articles about how Sweden was wrong all along.

maxekman 6y ago
We have daily updated stats for everything related to Covid-19 in most major Swedish news sites like dn.se and svt.se.
URfejk 6y ago
twitter.com/JamesElijahMill/status/1327234821513482241
sxp 6y ago
91-DIVOC has useful charts: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=United%20States&show=50&y=both&scale=log&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Sweden%2CEuropean%20Union#countries-normalized http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countri... Sweden's daily mortality rate is .2 vs the US at .3 and EU at .6. All of them have a daily case rate of around 40.
- addicted 6y ago
  Now let’s compare them to their comparable neighbors. I’ll make it easier. The only comparable neighbor who is actually close to them is Denmark. The others are an order of magnitude better. Also, Sweden’s economy dropped even more than its comparable neighbors’ economies.
  - URfejk 6y ago
    https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-sweden-s-approach-to-covid-19-works/ https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-swede...
    - oblio 6y ago
      How come absolutely EVERY time these discussions start and such links are posted, I check who owns the respective website and it's ALWAYS a "libertarian and economic think-tank" or a "Republican think-tank" or a "freedom think-tank"?
      - seppin 6y ago
        They are also outright wrong and lying: > "People attacking Sweden don't realize Finland and Norway were actually more laissez faire. > Since early June, Finland and Norway have had less restrictive policies--and they've done remarkably well." This is, of course, not true.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, etc...are all able to be compared with Sweden, why wouldn't they be?
    - fakedang 6y ago
      Population sizes, density, climate variations, cultural aspects, etc. Not to mention, Sweden is vast compared to any of those places - for 10 million people, it should not have had as many cases or deaths.
    - pchristensen 6y ago
      Consider Sweden to be like Minnesota, Italy to be like Florida, UK to be like New York, and Belgium to be like ... well, I don't know Belgium well. These places have very different climate, population, connections to other countries/states, economies, density, etc.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        We regularly compare states on all sorts of measures including test scores, income levels, murder rates, etc. despite all these differences. Right now, Sweden is ranked 20th in the world in deaths per million for Covid and dropping.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      Are Minnesota and New Jersey comparable?
- haunter 6y ago
  Still much better than the rest of Europe where it's creeping above 1, or almost reached 2 (Belgium, Czech Republic)
  - riffraff 6y ago
    It's not meaningful to compare Sweden with continental Europe. Demographics, population density, social mores, healthcare, geography, climate are drastically different across Europe.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - nifhel32 6y ago
      To be fair is not great to compare Sweden and Finland neither, except for the climate ...
- jacksonkmarley 6y ago
  I think it's worth considering that the absolute number of covid deaths in Sweden per day at the moment is around 15. I get the value of per capita rates, but do you think the numbers are as meaningful when they're that low?
sampo 6y ago
You can see "In Hospital" in the graph here: https://c19.se/en https://c19.se/en
ovslylegit 6y ago
here is an overview of swedens cases - hospitalizations - deaths https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6... while they have an uptick in cases, deaths are steady. Edit: What this chart makes pretty clear, who dies from covid 19. Sweden has < 100 people who were not older than 50 who died, while elderly got completely wrecked.

They sure are careful not to show the graphs on how many people actually end up in hospital! Can’t wait for all the self congratulatory articles about how Sweden was wrong all along.

maxekman 6y ago

We have daily updated stats for everything related to Covid-19 in most major Swedish news sites like dn.se and svt.se.

URfejk 6y ago

twitter.com/JamesElijahMill/status/1327234821513482241

sxp 6y ago

91-DIVOC has useful charts: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=United%20States&show=50&y=both&scale=log&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Sweden%2CEuropean%20Union#countries-normalized http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countri... Sweden's daily mortality rate is .2 vs the US at .3 and EU at .6. All of them have a daily case rate of around 40.

addicted 6y ago
Now let’s compare them to their comparable neighbors. I’ll make it easier. The only comparable neighbor who is actually close to them is Denmark. The others are an order of magnitude better. Also, Sweden’s economy dropped even more than its comparable neighbors’ economies.
- URfejk 6y ago
  https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-sweden-s-approach-to-covid-19-works/ https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-swede...
  - oblio 6y ago
    How come absolutely EVERY time these discussions start and such links are posted, I check who owns the respective website and it's ALWAYS a "libertarian and economic think-tank" or a "Republican think-tank" or a "freedom think-tank"?
    - seppin 6y ago
      They are also outright wrong and lying: > "People attacking Sweden don't realize Finland and Norway were actually more laissez faire. > Since early June, Finland and Norway have had less restrictive policies--and they've done remarkably well." This is, of course, not true.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, etc...are all able to be compared with Sweden, why wouldn't they be?
  - fakedang 6y ago
    Population sizes, density, climate variations, cultural aspects, etc. Not to mention, Sweden is vast compared to any of those places - for 10 million people, it should not have had as many cases or deaths.
  - pchristensen 6y ago
    Consider Sweden to be like Minnesota, Italy to be like Florida, UK to be like New York, and Belgium to be like ... well, I don't know Belgium well. These places have very different climate, population, connections to other countries/states, economies, density, etc.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      We regularly compare states on all sorts of measures including test scores, income levels, murder rates, etc. despite all these differences. Right now, Sweden is ranked 20th in the world in deaths per million for Covid and dropping.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    Are Minnesota and New Jersey comparable?
haunter 6y ago
Still much better than the rest of Europe where it's creeping above 1, or almost reached 2 (Belgium, Czech Republic)
- riffraff 6y ago
  It's not meaningful to compare Sweden with continental Europe. Demographics, population density, social mores, healthcare, geography, climate are drastically different across Europe.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - nifhel32 6y ago
    To be fair is not great to compare Sweden and Finland neither, except for the climate ...
jacksonkmarley 6y ago
I think it's worth considering that the absolute number of covid deaths in Sweden per day at the moment is around 15. I get the value of per capita rates, but do you think the numbers are as meaningful when they're that low?

sampo 6y ago

You can see "In Hospital" in the graph here: https://c19.se/en https://c19.se/en

ovslylegit 6y ago

here is an overview of swedens cases - hospitalizations - deaths https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6... while they have an uptick in cases, deaths are steady. Edit: What this chart makes pretty clear, who dies from covid 19. Sweden has < 100 people who were not older than 50 who died, while elderly got completely wrecked.