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I think the idea is you do give a demo, just that you dont go crazy engineering-wise to implement NASCAR login, kubernetes scale-out and all sorts of stuff befo
by TuringNYC 6y ago
I think the idea is you do give a demo, just that you dont go crazy engineering-wise to implement NASCAR login, kubernetes scale-out and all sorts of stuff before you've tested the market for interest. It is basically taking the idea of MVP down a notch to BVP (barely viable product).
I've never done this, but it makes sense. Why spend the engineering effort to go from Demo --> BVP --> MVP when you can just do the first jump and test the idea.
Everything is on a spectrum and -- given the vast graveyard of random ideas engineers build as side projects -- we should figure out a better way to drive better yield.
- thelastwave 6y agoWhat is NASCAR login?
- TuringNYC 6y agoA NASCAR login is a stack of login options (Login with Apple, Login with Google, Login with Facebook, Login with Twitter, Login with Github...) where you end up having so many stacked logos that it starts to look like a NASCAR racecar (because they have tons of logos on them.) https://nascar.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/01/GettyImages-1160648250-e1578061949343.jpg https://nascar.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020... Google Identity reference to NASCAR Login: https://developers.google.com/identity/toolkit/images/federated_login_mobile_nascar.png https://developers.google.com/identity/toolkit/images/federa... NASCAR logins are particularly great (easy entry to convert interested users) and at the same time having a huge number of super-ugly edge cases: 1. If you log in with john.q.doe@gmail.com but originally had registered your gmail as johnqdoe, then your login automatically changes to the non-dot form. 2. If you have already registered via email on john.q.doe@gmail.com, then you cannot login-with-Google in the above case, as both accounts are separate and distinct in the host system. 3. If you have two accounts under your school and work account, but log-in-with-Facebook, and Facebook has both your emails, it gets confused. 4. There are cases where you simply cannot log in due to the network of conflicts across the identity services. ...and yet this is also awesome because you get to convert a registered user ASAP in 95% of the cases.
- hamburglar 6y agoA login page that has a million logos on it (login with facebook, login with google, etc)
- smarx007 6y agoJust today Redpanda hit HN front page https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25075739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25075739 and I cannot see how would you give a demo of such a system without having such a system developed in the first place. At the very least, the whole of HN would laugh at such a salesman trick. I do think there is a spectrum of fake-it-before-you-make-it ability for each idea. For some like Instagram is close to 100% and for things like Redpanda it's close to zero.
- macNchz 6y agoYes I think you described this approach well. I've worked on a bunch of things built this way... as an overall approach it will certainly minimize the chance that you waste time building something totally un-sellable. On the other hand, I've seen organizations using this "BVP" approach for absolutely everything they build, which I've come to view as a sort of product development antipattern, reflecting some lack of ambition/conviction/vision at the top. It's like the polar opposite of a moonshot: building things in such tiny increments that you can only ever achieve a local maxima, because the higher summit requires a bigger leap.
- TuringNYC 6y ago>> reflecting some lack of ambition/conviction/vision at the top Sure, but my assumption would be -- if you suddenly get registrations, signups, or even conditional trial accounts, great! Now I have some validation, and I'd jump in immediately and start building out the product fully. ...then, if I get even more engagement, even greater! Now I can start planning some scale-out.
- detaro 6y agoWhat's the definition of MVP then?!