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Youtube wasn't behind the DMCA takedown, though. Do they even care about youtube-dl?

Analemma_ 6y ago
Google quickly kills any iOS/Android app that offers offline playback functionality for YouTube, so I can't imagine they love youtube-dl. They probably only haven't made a stink because it might attract more attention to a tool primarily only known about in techhead circles.
- slimginz 6y ago
  I think the difference is that offline playback and background playback on iOS/Android can be unlocked through YouTube Premium so those apps directly interfere with YouTube's bottom line. YouTube-dl I don't really see as directly competing with that because it's not trivial to download a YouTube video from it to your phone.
  - devit 6y ago
    You can use Firefox mobile and the "Video Background Play Fix" addon to disable the browser APIs that allow the background play blocking antifeature. Alternatively, the NewPipe app available on F-Droid can be used to both play videos in the background and download them.
- arvindamirtaa 6y ago
  And given how unlikely people are in the wider non-technical audience to god-forbid, run a command line program, I guess they really just don't care. They do take easily accessible apps that use youtube-dl under the hood pretty seriously. I guess it depends on how much of an effort it is for them vs how much of their bottom line ytdl is cutting into.
DannyB2 6y ago
> Do they [YouTube/Google] even care about youtube-dl? A downloaded video doesn't generate ad revenue.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Yes, but is there any indication that they work against youtube-dl in some specific way? Adversarial actions like changing youtube to render youtube-dl non-functional?
- wongarsu 6y ago
  Downloaded videos often get remixed into other videos that generate ad revenue. Commentary, reaction videos and compilations are substantial parts of youtube.
  - minusf 6y ago
    i often watch youtube videos from mpv exactly to get away from those distractions.
- woofie11 6y ago
  Yes it does. I go to the page (ad), copy the URL, and youtube-dl. More critically, Youtube relies on network effects and people using it. Part of the reason we share family videos, educational content, and other things is so it's, well, shared. For me, the reasons to use Youtube-dl are: 1) People in bandwidth-constrained settings. If I post my videos, and colleagues in some countries can't watch them, I'm going elsewhere. 2) Remixing. If I can't make collages of family videos, I'm going elsewhere. Youtube can serve masters like me, where it's an effective platform for sharing videos I want people to watch, and where the goal is dissemination. It can serve masters like the RIAA and the MPAA, where the goal is monetization and control. It will have a hard time serving both. I suspect if it tries, people like me will go to someone who caters to us. A YouYesYouNoNotTheRIAAYesYOUTube. If we do, I think there will be enough of a network to start to syphon people off, and eventually, cat videos and Aunt Alice will be on YYYNNTRYYT.com, while corporate video will be on DRMed Youtube. At that point, we'll have a replay.
  - fuzxi 6y ago
    >I go to the page (ad), copy the URL, and youtube-dl. Youtube-dl has an integrated search function, so you actually don't have to open the video in a browser at all. That's secondary to the rest of your comment, but I thought it was worth noting.
resfirestar 6y ago
Youtube has to listen to the RIAA's demands because music and music videos are a huge portion of their traffic. The music industry could decide to move all that to Spotify if they chose.
- verall 6y ago
  Yea ha ha. They took that poison pill already, I really, really doubt they ever new pop music stops being part of youtube in the future, the audience is too large. It would be like them taking music off of the radio because people could record it on reel-to-reels. They might stomp around a bit and try to use the law to get what they want, but when push comes to shove the big labels will keep their music on youtube.
  - rhizome 6y ago
    The RIAA/NARM/etc. needs YouTube WAY more than vice-versa.
- arvindamirtaa 6y ago
  No they cannot. Music videos that aren't on Youtube don't generate much in the way of traffic anywhere else. Artists have tried it and failed. They absolutely need eachother and can't afford to be nasty to eachother.

Google quickly kills any iOS/Android app that offers offline playback functionality for YouTube, so I can't imagine they love youtube-dl. They probably only haven't made a stink because it might attract more attention to a tool primarily only known about in techhead circles.

slimginz 6y ago
I think the difference is that offline playback and background playback on iOS/Android can be unlocked through YouTube Premium so those apps directly interfere with YouTube's bottom line. YouTube-dl I don't really see as directly competing with that because it's not trivial to download a YouTube video from it to your phone.
- devit 6y ago
  You can use Firefox mobile and the "Video Background Play Fix" addon to disable the browser APIs that allow the background play blocking antifeature. Alternatively, the NewPipe app available on F-Droid can be used to both play videos in the background and download them.
arvindamirtaa 6y ago
And given how unlikely people are in the wider non-technical audience to god-forbid, run a command line program, I guess they really just don't care. They do take easily accessible apps that use youtube-dl under the hood pretty seriously. I guess it depends on how much of an effort it is for them vs how much of their bottom line ytdl is cutting into.

DannyB2 6y ago

> Do they [YouTube/Google] even care about youtube-dl? A downloaded video doesn't generate ad revenue.

ineedasername 6y ago
Yes, but is there any indication that they work against youtube-dl in some specific way? Adversarial actions like changing youtube to render youtube-dl non-functional?
wongarsu 6y ago
Downloaded videos often get remixed into other videos that generate ad revenue. Commentary, reaction videos and compilations are substantial parts of youtube.
- minusf 6y ago
  i often watch youtube videos from mpv exactly to get away from those distractions.
woofie11 6y ago
Yes it does. I go to the page (ad), copy the URL, and youtube-dl. More critically, Youtube relies on network effects and people using it. Part of the reason we share family videos, educational content, and other things is so it's, well, shared. For me, the reasons to use Youtube-dl are: 1) People in bandwidth-constrained settings. If I post my videos, and colleagues in some countries can't watch them, I'm going elsewhere. 2) Remixing. If I can't make collages of family videos, I'm going elsewhere. Youtube can serve masters like me, where it's an effective platform for sharing videos I want people to watch, and where the goal is dissemination. It can serve masters like the RIAA and the MPAA, where the goal is monetization and control. It will have a hard time serving both. I suspect if it tries, people like me will go to someone who caters to us. A YouYesYouNoNotTheRIAAYesYOUTube. If we do, I think there will be enough of a network to start to syphon people off, and eventually, cat videos and Aunt Alice will be on YYYNNTRYYT.com, while corporate video will be on DRMed Youtube. At that point, we'll have a replay.
- fuzxi 6y ago
  >I go to the page (ad), copy the URL, and youtube-dl. Youtube-dl has an integrated search function, so you actually don't have to open the video in a browser at all. That's secondary to the rest of your comment, but I thought it was worth noting.

resfirestar 6y ago

Youtube has to listen to the RIAA's demands because music and music videos are a huge portion of their traffic. The music industry could decide to move all that to Spotify if they chose.

verall 6y ago
Yea ha ha. They took that poison pill already, I really, really doubt they ever new pop music stops being part of youtube in the future, the audience is too large. It would be like them taking music off of the radio because people could record it on reel-to-reels. They might stomp around a bit and try to use the law to get what they want, but when push comes to shove the big labels will keep their music on youtube.
- rhizome 6y ago
  The RIAA/NARM/etc. needs YouTube WAY more than vice-versa.
arvindamirtaa 6y ago
No they cannot. Music videos that aren't on Youtube don't generate much in the way of traffic anywhere else. Artists have tried it and failed. They absolutely need eachother and can't afford to be nasty to eachother.