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Hm, seems like pg & co. want to have all the big problems of business and the economy solved for $15,000. I guess if you're only funding kiddies with amounts eq

by jerry5 18y ago

Hm, seems like pg & co. want to have all the big problems of business and the economy solved for $15,000. I guess if you're only funding kiddies with amounts equivalent to the allowance they get from their parents, all you get is kiddie solutions. As soon as $15m are on the table, call me.

rms 18y ago
What's your number?
- jerry5 18y ago
  Just put the offer on ycombinator's - or another reputable entity's - web site for everyone to see. However the "call me" part is half joking; while I have ideas to tackle some of those problems, especially the economic foundations of them, they are not amenable to funding by ycombinator or similar entities. The smaller problems being purely practical such as not being - or wanting to be - in that funny country of yours over there, the larger ones being that it's a contradiction in terms to use an old economic model (invenstments, corporate structures, sell-outs) to create a new economic model. Look at the file-sharing example quoted: A P2P network technology, even one that created economic benefits for its participants, such as musicians and listeners, would never get VC funding since there's no central entity to siphon the profits off.
  - rms 18y ago
    I sincerely look forward to your futuristic improved economic system, capitalism is lacking in many important areas.
    - jerry5 18y ago
      If you wan to mock someone why not mock the original post that's asking for new economic models?
    - agentbleu 18y ago
      I was so sick and tiered of hearing that capitalism is the best system we have, "theres nothing better", that I designed a new world order. It is better than capitalism by a very long way. It's a complicated idea, slightly difficult to grasp, but given any problem it will robustly yield the best result for the community. You can read it if your interested on the wayback. http://web.archive.org/web/20060613054329/http://creatocracy.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20060613054329/http://creatocracy...
      - jerry5 18y ago
        Sorry on the first 10 or so pages I saw just blah blah. Don't spam the forum here if you have nothing to offer.
        agentbleu 18y ago
        it seems to me that you have really nothing to offer, considering you can only manage 10 pages and a one line comment. If you only want the design and not the reasons for it then you can start here, http://web.archive.org/web/20060615193321/creatocracy.com/project-c.html http://web.archive.org/web/20060615193321/creatocracy.com/pr...
        jerry5 18y ago
        No one needs the reasons spelt out for them. That the current system has deficiencies is more or less painfully obvious to everyone. I may read some of your stuff later.
        agentbleu 18y ago
        strangely, this seems to be a new awaking, when originally written and project started in about 2002, it was painful how ignorant people were in general of the impending doom. That said I take on board your point that there is no longer need for an introduction.
        agentbleu 18y ago
        To give you one idea about the design and how it would treat people like you within it, (I notice that your kama on HN (jerry5) is -10) The creatocracy recognizes that one size does not fit all, treats all according to their history and respect. You would find that your voice counted less with regards voting rights and you may well find that if your attitude became a burden on others that your tax level would rise higher than others. Self organizing self regulating. Feedback is an essential component!
    - brianlash 18y ago
      The world hasn't seen Capitalism proper. Too much regulation, too little laissez faire to argue from experience that it's lacking in any area. Blame the government (or, dare I say, its unfettered expansion).
gscott 18y ago
(Catfish Jerry?) You know they get you started then put you in front of the right people to get the 15m. But there are too many people beating down the door to get in, but email me I have several things going on that can provide you with more income then you can spend.
- jerry5 18y ago
  As for my personal projects, see the answer to rms below. As for anyone else's projects, even though they promise to put you in front of the right people eventually, you have to have some small-time prototype to show before they put you through to the bigwigs. Whether you use the $15,000 offered to create that prototype or already have one doesn't matter I guess, however what does matter is that for improvements in ERP/CRM/WebOS/somebigtech there aren't any small prototypes that could represent the idea's viability better than a PowerPoint presentation already does. So how about judging the idea just by its presentation itself? The other problem is that PG/RTM/TB aren't exactly industry veterans themselves. Any Dilbert in the country has a better clue of how things work in, say, the corporate world than a painter and a university prof. They wouldn't recognize a better CRM solution if they sat on it, and neither, I am assuming, have friends in the right places that they could consult on the matter. So seems like inventors would be better off beating down the door to the real guys.

by jerry5 18y ago

rms 18y ago

What's your number?

jerry5 18y ago
Just put the offer on ycombinator's - or another reputable entity's - web site for everyone to see. However the "call me" part is half joking; while I have ideas to tackle some of those problems, especially the economic foundations of them, they are not amenable to funding by ycombinator or similar entities. The smaller problems being purely practical such as not being - or wanting to be - in that funny country of yours over there, the larger ones being that it's a contradiction in terms to use an old economic model (invenstments, corporate structures, sell-outs) to create a new economic model. Look at the file-sharing example quoted: A P2P network technology, even one that created economic benefits for its participants, such as musicians and listeners, would never get VC funding since there's no central entity to siphon the profits off.
- rms 18y ago
  I sincerely look forward to your futuristic improved economic system, capitalism is lacking in many important areas.
  - jerry5 18y ago
    If you wan to mock someone why not mock the original post that's asking for new economic models?
  - agentbleu 18y ago
    I was so sick and tiered of hearing that capitalism is the best system we have, "theres nothing better", that I designed a new world order. It is better than capitalism by a very long way. It's a complicated idea, slightly difficult to grasp, but given any problem it will robustly yield the best result for the community. You can read it if your interested on the wayback. http://web.archive.org/web/20060613054329/http://creatocracy.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20060613054329/http://creatocracy...
    - jerry5 18y ago
      Sorry on the first 10 or so pages I saw just blah blah. Don't spam the forum here if you have nothing to offer.
      - agentbleu 18y ago
        it seems to me that you have really nothing to offer, considering you can only manage 10 pages and a one line comment. If you only want the design and not the reasons for it then you can start here, http://web.archive.org/web/20060615193321/creatocracy.com/project-c.html http://web.archive.org/web/20060615193321/creatocracy.com/pr...
        jerry5 18y ago
        No one needs the reasons spelt out for them. That the current system has deficiencies is more or less painfully obvious to everyone. I may read some of your stuff later.
        agentbleu 18y ago
        strangely, this seems to be a new awaking, when originally written and project started in about 2002, it was painful how ignorant people were in general of the impending doom. That said I take on board your point that there is no longer need for an introduction.
      - agentbleu 18y ago
        To give you one idea about the design and how it would treat people like you within it, (I notice that your kama on HN (jerry5) is -10) The creatocracy recognizes that one size does not fit all, treats all according to their history and respect. You would find that your voice counted less with regards voting rights and you may well find that if your attitude became a burden on others that your tax level would rise higher than others. Self organizing self regulating. Feedback is an essential component!
  - brianlash 18y ago
    The world hasn't seen Capitalism proper. Too much regulation, too little laissez faire to argue from experience that it's lacking in any area. Blame the government (or, dare I say, its unfettered expansion).

gscott 18y ago

(Catfish Jerry?) You know they get you started then put you in front of the right people to get the 15m. But there are too many people beating down the door to get in, but email me I have several things going on that can provide you with more income then you can spend.

jerry5 18y ago
As for my personal projects, see the answer to rms below. As for anyone else's projects, even though they promise to put you in front of the right people eventually, you have to have some small-time prototype to show before they put you through to the bigwigs. Whether you use the $15,000 offered to create that prototype or already have one doesn't matter I guess, however what does matter is that for improvements in ERP/CRM/WebOS/somebigtech there aren't any small prototypes that could represent the idea's viability better than a PowerPoint presentation already does. So how about judging the idea just by its presentation itself? The other problem is that PG/RTM/TB aren't exactly industry veterans themselves. Any Dilbert in the country has a better clue of how things work in, say, the corporate world than a painter and a university prof. They wouldn't recognize a better CRM solution if they sat on it, and neither, I am assuming, have friends in the right places that they could consult on the matter. So seems like inventors would be better off beating down the door to the real guys.