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I think the real question is, will the distribution of this and the Pfizer vaccine cause the lockdowns to stop? Everyone seems to assume that they will, but we

I think the real question is, will the distribution of this and the Pfizer vaccine cause the lockdowns to stop? Everyone seems to assume that they will, but we haven't heard any statements from our bureaucratic elite to suggest that vaccines will obviate the need for lockdowns.

seniorivn 6y ago
that's because they change their mind on the inside everyday or so, wait till the vaccination finishes
qppo 6y ago
The lockdowns (if you could call them that, they're a joke) are driven by case statistics. If the cases go down the lockdowns will stop.
- tboyd47 6y ago
  They started this whole thing saying we need to lock down to save the hospitals.
  - qppo 6y ago
    Yes, and hospitalization numbers are one case statistic. That's a "why should we lockdown" and not "what metrics do we use to decide how hard to lock down"
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pjc50 6y ago
Falling infection rates will obviate the need for lockdowns. That can be achieved either by successful anti-infection measures (masks, distancing, etc) or by vaccination.
usrusr 6y ago
Political support for lockdowns etc will surely drop hard once significant parts of the high risk population are vaccinated and intensive care utilization goes down (support was eroding even before vaccine news hit). We'll then see a heavy third wave challenging the immune systems of those who didn't qualify for early vaccination. Currently we don't even know wether the vaccines can cause herd immunity effects or not. It's perfectly possible that they just reduce heavy sickness infections into symptomless spreader infections. The tests didn't check for that (you can't do daily PCR on a test population of ten thousands). If that was the case the vaccines would still be a great improvement, but the third wave during partial vaccination would be particularly nasty if the vaccinated are not firewalls but stopovers.
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seniorivn 6y ago

that's because they change their mind on the inside everyday or so, wait till the vaccination finishes

qppo 6y ago

The lockdowns (if you could call them that, they're a joke) are driven by case statistics. If the cases go down the lockdowns will stop.

tboyd47 6y ago
They started this whole thing saying we need to lock down to save the hospitals.
- qppo 6y ago
  Yes, and hospitalization numbers are one case statistic. That's a "why should we lockdown" and not "what metrics do we use to decide how hard to lock down"
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pjc50 6y ago

Falling infection rates will obviate the need for lockdowns. That can be achieved either by successful anti-infection measures (masks, distancing, etc) or by vaccination.

usrusr 6y ago

Political support for lockdowns etc will surely drop hard once significant parts of the high risk population are vaccinated and intensive care utilization goes down (support was eroding even before vaccine news hit). We'll then see a heavy third wave challenging the immune systems of those who didn't qualify for early vaccination. Currently we don't even know wether the vaccines can cause herd immunity effects or not. It's perfectly possible that they just reduce heavy sickness infections into symptomless spreader infections. The tests didn't check for that (you can't do daily PCR on a test population of ten thousands). If that was the case the vaccines would still be a great improvement, but the third wave during partial vaccination would be particularly nasty if the vaccinated are not firewalls but stopovers.

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