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The government orders have been overwhelmingly the largest piece of it! I wrote this a few months back; the secondary effects from government intervention, and

The government orders have been overwhelmingly the largest piece of it! I wrote this a few months back; the secondary effects from government intervention, and they fear they've brought with them, have been far reaching and disastrous: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/secondary-effects/ https://battlepenguin.com/politics/secondary-effects/

maxerickson 6y ago
You are a death count truther still?
snakeboy 6y ago
The citation for gunshot wound victims being counted as Covid deaths says it was 5 deaths, and it was only on the publicly-available dashboard to track deaths. Not being used for official reporting purposes. In my opinion it's kind of dishonest how you present that. I'll admit it made me lose interest in reading much further because I don't trust you to have used the other 42 citations in good faith. Anyway, that was just meant as constructive criticism. Just something to keep in mind in your writing in the future.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  It was one account, but during that time period, there were tons of reports, every single week, from miscounted deaths. The No Agenda Podcast guys covered it pretty well. If it's just a couple here or there, there are miscounts for sure. But with news report after news report from local stations, I think the issue might be enough to be statically significant, or at least warrant investigation and not outright dismissal. Furthermore, Sweeden seems to be doing alright as far as fatality numbers across their population for the year, even though their covid orders were much more limited: https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-... > because I don't trust you to have used the other 42 citations in good faith. We're getting into this really interesting era where we're attacking people's views for their sources .. even though there has been obvious bias in all mainstream reporting for over a decade. If you're not willing to entertain viewpoints you don't agree with, that's on you, not on me.
  - singemonkey 6y ago
    Entirely reasonable of OP to posit bad faith on your part, especially given how you've reacted and the way you constructed a strawman to get upset about. That's on you, not anyone else.
  - snakeboy 6y ago
    > even though there has been obvious bias in all mainstream reporting for over a decade Fortunately we're getting into this really interesting era where I don't have to waste my time with their bullshit, nor with yours. Cheers.
usrusr 6y ago
The secondary effects from a pandemic rampaging through society unchecked by government orders would be very bad as well. At some point people just stop showing up for their jobs and then you might even end up with a barter based anarchy were big cities would simply starve in absence of the required logistics.
- salmon30salmon 6y ago
  Seriously? In my big city, people are generally behaving as if the disease doesn't exist, at least on weekends. Restaurants are pretty full, stores are busy. The only time it feels different is during weekdays, when the city is empty from forced WFH. When people are given the choice, they are choosing to go out in the world, risks and all. I think a majority of people stopped giving a shit in June[1]. The government's continued lockdown policies are 100% at fault for continued economic distress. [1] https://covid19.apple.com/mobility https://covid19.apple.com/mobility
  - hvac 6y ago
    Hmm, "counting the number of requests made to Apple Maps for directions" is different than people actually going places, though. If you look at the Google location data reports, the retail and recreation category was down 16% when the Apple graph was at its peak: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-08-14_US_Mobility_Report_en.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-08-14_US_Mobil...
  - usrusr 6y ago
    > When people are given the choice, they are choosing to go out in the world, risks and all. That could change pretty fast when hospitals have to start sending seriously ill home to die. That would still only directly affect a small minority, but the same people who feel safer than they should now would then start feeling more in danger than they should. There's a certain irony in how a lot of people think that the rules are unnecessary exactly because they do work.

maxerickson 6y ago

You are a death count truther still?

snakeboy 6y ago

The citation for gunshot wound victims being counted as Covid deaths says it was 5 deaths, and it was only on the publicly-available dashboard to track deaths. Not being used for official reporting purposes. In my opinion it's kind of dishonest how you present that. I'll admit it made me lose interest in reading much further because I don't trust you to have used the other 42 citations in good faith. Anyway, that was just meant as constructive criticism. Just something to keep in mind in your writing in the future.

djsumdog 6y ago
It was one account, but during that time period, there were tons of reports, every single week, from miscounted deaths. The No Agenda Podcast guys covered it pretty well. If it's just a couple here or there, there are miscounts for sure. But with news report after news report from local stations, I think the issue might be enough to be statically significant, or at least warrant investigation and not outright dismissal. Furthermore, Sweeden seems to be doing alright as far as fatality numbers across their population for the year, even though their covid orders were much more limited: https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-... > because I don't trust you to have used the other 42 citations in good faith. We're getting into this really interesting era where we're attacking people's views for their sources .. even though there has been obvious bias in all mainstream reporting for over a decade. If you're not willing to entertain viewpoints you don't agree with, that's on you, not on me.
- singemonkey 6y ago
  Entirely reasonable of OP to posit bad faith on your part, especially given how you've reacted and the way you constructed a strawman to get upset about. That's on you, not anyone else.
- snakeboy 6y ago
  > even though there has been obvious bias in all mainstream reporting for over a decade Fortunately we're getting into this really interesting era where I don't have to waste my time with their bullshit, nor with yours. Cheers.

usrusr 6y ago

The secondary effects from a pandemic rampaging through society unchecked by government orders would be very bad as well. At some point people just stop showing up for their jobs and then you might even end up with a barter based anarchy were big cities would simply starve in absence of the required logistics.

salmon30salmon 6y ago
Seriously? In my big city, people are generally behaving as if the disease doesn't exist, at least on weekends. Restaurants are pretty full, stores are busy. The only time it feels different is during weekdays, when the city is empty from forced WFH. When people are given the choice, they are choosing to go out in the world, risks and all. I think a majority of people stopped giving a shit in June[1]. The government's continued lockdown policies are 100% at fault for continued economic distress. [1] https://covid19.apple.com/mobility https://covid19.apple.com/mobility
- hvac 6y ago
  Hmm, "counting the number of requests made to Apple Maps for directions" is different than people actually going places, though. If you look at the Google location data reports, the retail and recreation category was down 16% when the Apple graph was at its peak: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-08-14_US_Mobility_Report_en.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-08-14_US_Mobil...
- usrusr 6y ago
  > When people are given the choice, they are choosing to go out in the world, risks and all. That could change pretty fast when hospitals have to start sending seriously ill home to die. That would still only directly affect a small minority, but the same people who feel safer than they should now would then start feeling more in danger than they should. There's a certain irony in how a lot of people think that the rules are unnecessary exactly because they do work.