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I think there’s going to be a lot of anti-vaccine agitation about this. It’s a type of vaccine that has never been approved and deployed past the research phas

I think there’s going to be a lot of anti-vaccine agitation about this. It’s a type of vaccine that has never been approved and deployed past the research phase before, and it’s going to be super easy to wrap “modified RNA vaccine” in scare quotes like I guess I just did there. “It’s genetically modified?!” I can imagine my neighborhood Facebook group blowing up already. Me? Get it in my veins, I’m disappointed I was not selected for the trial. But I think the political climate may be toxic for this.

bamboozled 6y ago
Are you a doctor or someone who actually understands these vaccines by in-depth ? Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone is eager to inject themselves with something foreign to them? Where’s the compassion and empathy? I’m by no means against vaccines but I don’t appreciate being made to feel like I have to take one either ?
- meddlepal 6y ago
  Im all for setting up the equivalent of leprosy colonies for anti-vax folks that want to be left alone. They can be left to their own devices and free to live without vaccinations away from the rest of us.
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    I see you’re being immature to take such a one sided view of the problem. I wasn’t advocating people shouldn’t take it, I’m asking for patience and understanding, not everyone is ready and eager to inject medicine they don’t understand using a new vaccine technology in 5 minutes, is that so hard to believe ?
- hoot 6y ago
  This entire HN discussion is insane. Every comment that is even slightly skeptical of mass-injecting the global population with a substance that we do not fully understand is being down-voted.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Well, that's the third option of "lockdown" and "hospitals overwhelmed by dying people". Both of which are also bad. And almost all of us have had our vaccinations for the common diseases, in childhood or as adults for travel purposes. And many of us are tired: tired of lockdown, tired of unsubstantiated nonsense on social media, tired of anti-vaxers, and tired of worrying whether someone we know will suffer severe consequences from this disease (I know many people in the "vulnerable" category, and a couple who've already experienced severe symptoms despite being young).
    - bamboozled 6y ago
      > And many of us are tired: tired of lockdown, tired of unsubstantiated nonsense on social media, tired of anti-vaxers, and tired of worrying whether someone we know will suffer severe consequences from this disease (I know many people in the "vulnerable" category, and a couple who've already experienced severe symptoms despite being young). So you’re projecting your wishes onto others ? The trials of this vaccine aren’t even over, we don’t know if it stops the spread or for how long it’s effects last. When it comes to medicine, science and civil rights it can’t be about emotions. I’m likely to end up taking a vaccine, but I don’t want to be forced to against my will because others want me too. I also think it’s important the results of the trial are properly assessed when completed. This whole, “just f*^king take the vaccine already” attitude being forced down our throats is the idiotic, reactionary view to me.
  - coldpie 6y ago
    It's because the alternative is millions of deaths in the US alone. It's a risk/benefit analysis. Yes, there is some risk to a new vaccine. That is an unknown. But there is a known risk to not widely distributing a vaccine, which is millions of deaths. Vaccines have been studied for a long time, their mechanisms are fairly well understood, and they have been going through full safety trials, even if somewhat accelerated. So those are your options on the table: guaranteed millions of deaths, or possibly some unknown long term implications from a vaccine, but unlikely given the understanding and safety trials. Ask any reputable doctor, virologist, or epidemiologist: they all are backing the vaccine. Discussion is fine, but you have to provide some thoughtful justification behind your worry, and make a case for your alternative plan. Otherwise you're just spreading fear and doubt, which may impact vaccine uptake, and directly cause more deaths.
Dumblydorr 6y ago
It hardly matters how you frame your vaccine when the anti vaxxers feed on disinformation and lies from social media.
hinkley 6y ago
> Get it in my veins Works better in a muscle...

bamboozled 6y ago

Are you a doctor or someone who actually understands these vaccines by in-depth ? Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone is eager to inject themselves with something foreign to them? Where’s the compassion and empathy? I’m by no means against vaccines but I don’t appreciate being made to feel like I have to take one either ?

meddlepal 6y ago
Im all for setting up the equivalent of leprosy colonies for anti-vax folks that want to be left alone. They can be left to their own devices and free to live without vaccinations away from the rest of us.
- bamboozled 6y ago
  I see you’re being immature to take such a one sided view of the problem. I wasn’t advocating people shouldn’t take it, I’m asking for patience and understanding, not everyone is ready and eager to inject medicine they don’t understand using a new vaccine technology in 5 minutes, is that so hard to believe ?
hoot 6y ago
This entire HN discussion is insane. Every comment that is even slightly skeptical of mass-injecting the global population with a substance that we do not fully understand is being down-voted.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Well, that's the third option of "lockdown" and "hospitals overwhelmed by dying people". Both of which are also bad. And almost all of us have had our vaccinations for the common diseases, in childhood or as adults for travel purposes. And many of us are tired: tired of lockdown, tired of unsubstantiated nonsense on social media, tired of anti-vaxers, and tired of worrying whether someone we know will suffer severe consequences from this disease (I know many people in the "vulnerable" category, and a couple who've already experienced severe symptoms despite being young).
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    > And many of us are tired: tired of lockdown, tired of unsubstantiated nonsense on social media, tired of anti-vaxers, and tired of worrying whether someone we know will suffer severe consequences from this disease (I know many people in the "vulnerable" category, and a couple who've already experienced severe symptoms despite being young). So you’re projecting your wishes onto others ? The trials of this vaccine aren’t even over, we don’t know if it stops the spread or for how long it’s effects last. When it comes to medicine, science and civil rights it can’t be about emotions. I’m likely to end up taking a vaccine, but I don’t want to be forced to against my will because others want me too. I also think it’s important the results of the trial are properly assessed when completed. This whole, “just f*^king take the vaccine already” attitude being forced down our throats is the idiotic, reactionary view to me.
- coldpie 6y ago
  It's because the alternative is millions of deaths in the US alone. It's a risk/benefit analysis. Yes, there is some risk to a new vaccine. That is an unknown. But there is a known risk to not widely distributing a vaccine, which is millions of deaths. Vaccines have been studied for a long time, their mechanisms are fairly well understood, and they have been going through full safety trials, even if somewhat accelerated. So those are your options on the table: guaranteed millions of deaths, or possibly some unknown long term implications from a vaccine, but unlikely given the understanding and safety trials. Ask any reputable doctor, virologist, or epidemiologist: they all are backing the vaccine. Discussion is fine, but you have to provide some thoughtful justification behind your worry, and make a case for your alternative plan. Otherwise you're just spreading fear and doubt, which may impact vaccine uptake, and directly cause more deaths.

Dumblydorr 6y ago

It hardly matters how you frame your vaccine when the anti vaxxers feed on disinformation and lies from social media.

hinkley 6y ago

> Get it in my veins Works better in a muscle...