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Well again we can debate on the "just works" part, as Apple has alot of problems in their hardware reliability as well but that is another debate all together.

• coldtea 6y ago
  >* It is also revisionist history to say "Apple was never about tinkerers and customizations", Apple was born out of the "tinkers" market, and did infact become popular pre-iphone days due to this hacker mentality, to deny this is to deny actual history* I was there in the pre-iPhone days, and Apple was never about the "hacker mentality". In the early days (and up to now) it was all about "computers for the rest of us" (as the slogan famously said, which is also what the 1984 ad was about -- freeing computing from being a serious/enterprise/business affair, not about hacking ideal - the target was IBM and the PC). During the Jobs-ousted era (Scully etc), it was mostly about selling expensive boxes to vertical markets (printing, design, and so on). Their first popular post-Jobs products were the all-in-one iMac, the powerbooks, and of course, the iPod. And they always insisted on the vertical integration (they make the hardware and OS/basic software) - with the brief pre-Jobs exception of the Mac-clones, which nearly killed the company. >I fail to see the connection, today there are far better tools on both windows and make to backup and restore systems. It's not about backing up and restoring, it's about third parties getting access to your documents, data, personal pics and videos, account passwords, files, etc -- which today are a much larger and more important part of your life and business than it ever was. >Also to claim mac is "Virus free" is moronic, and implies a level of security that is not really warranted I didn't claim it, but now that you said, I will: Mac is, if not virus free, effectively virus free, and can be even more so. There has not been any major outbreak for the Mac (tons for Windows). The biggest outbreaks were confined to sub-10% of users, and were invariably trojans, not viruses (users had to actively run them). >Mac like Linux is security through obscurity, Windows still has a 90+% market share, so of course threat actors will target windows more. Apple Mac is not target simply because there is not enough people to justify the investment. That's an old fable that doesn't hold. In the 90s, when the Mac (Mac OS then, pre-OS X) had 2% to Windows 98%, it still had tons of viruses. And of course iOS has 0 or no viruses and malware, whereas Android has a ton, and there are not only close (30-40% to 60%) but also richer people on the iOS phone side to justify resources. It's just more secure, for various reasons (and no side-loading is one): https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/mediacenter/mobile-security/android-more-infected-than-ios/#:~:text=Android%2Dpowered%20connected%20devices%20are,malware%20when%20compared%20to%20iOS.&text=According%20to%20the%20whitepaper%2C%20Android,iPhones%20for%20less%20than%201%25 https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/mediacenter/mobile-security....
  • syshum 6y ago
    >>And of course iOS has 0 or no viruses and malware Wait what?? Are you serious? Please tell me you are not serious Man are you in an Apple PR bubble if you believe that, iOS most certainly has been impacted by viruses, malware and vulnerabilities >>That's an old fable that doesn't hold. In the 90s, when the Mac (Mac OS then, pre-OS X) had 2% to Windows 98%, it still had tons of viruses I am not sure what you are attempting to say here? your implying Mac OS had a ton of viruses, if so I am not sure why you said "still had tons of viruses" If you are talking about win 98 having viruses this does not refute my statement at all, as in Win98 days, as today then and now Windows was the vast majority (90+%) of computers.
    • coldtea 6y ago
      >Wait what?? Are you serious? Please tell me you are not serious Man are you in an Apple PR bubble if you believe that, iOS most certainly has been impacted by viruses, malware and vulnerabilities Well, since you're outside the PR bubble, I'll be eagerly awaiting for your examples of viruses in iOS devices. I'll be patient. Spyware you'll find a few (they exist in any system when you can't trust the developer 100% -- even Facebook app functions as malware, in the sense that it got data it shouldn't), that are stopped when found out, exactly due to developer certificates. No malware in the wild (virus, trojans, etc) infecting iOS devices, due to no sideloading and sandboxing. While at it, also refute the "50 to 1" Android to iOS malware ratio as given in the post -- and that's from an antivirus vendor: https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/mediacenter/mobile-security/android-more-infected-than-ios/#:~:text=Android%2Dpowered%20connected%20devices%20are,malware%20when%20compared%20to%20iOS.&text=According%20to%20the%20whitepaper%2C%20Android,iPhones%20for%20less%20than%201%25 https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/mediacenter/mobile-security... You're serious and I'm not after all. And you're also outside the bubble, so you'll have access to plenty of material...
• pjmlp 6y ago
  My first Apple device was a LC II, what "tinkers" market, and did infact become popular pre-iphone days due to this hacker mentality, to deny this is to deny actual history" are you talking about? Go read the feature list of Copland to see how much "tinkers" market they cared about.