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Great, now they can import the issues to a GitLab/Gitea instance hosted by the same Germans who refused to ever take down youtube-dl.org, and a few other places

Great, now they can import the issues to a GitLab/Gitea instance hosted by the same Germans who refused to ever take down youtube-dl.org, and a few other places for redundancy, and not have to go through all this excess stress again.

jrochkind1 6y ago
I have trouble believing gitlab would just ignore a DMCA takedown request? This is what people believe? This is something gitlab has said? Actually, I guess I'm not sure of the consequences to a company of ignoring DMCA takedown requests (whether or not they are US companies; but Gitlab is now btw), but I assume they are not good, or why do companies bother complying? Rather than assume, I should look into it. But yes, redundancy for sure.
- boogies 6y ago
  gitlab.com? No. https://youtube-dl.org/ https://youtube-dl.org/ ’s host? That’s almost exactly what they did. (Edit: here’s my comment on a story that details their response somewhat: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24909982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24909982).
  - detaro 6y ago
    The webhost had a different situation: neither code nor binaries were hosted with them. Although DMCA specifically doesn't apply to a German hoster of course, and uberspace is run by the kinds of people that'd probably try and take this to court instead of just rolling over.
    - bigbubba 6y ago
      I don't follow, a few days ago I downloaded the tarball of the code and 'binary' (it's a Python script) from their website. Both seemed to be hosted there. https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.1...
      - boogies 6y ago
        Same, but interestingly enough today when I click the link my browser Palemoon’s popup dialog (asking whether to open in an extractor app or just download) says the file is from https://gitlab.com https://gitlab.com.
      - detaro 6y ago
        That link redirects to a file on gitlab.com, and that they don't host it was given by uberspace as part of the reason for ignoring the request.
        bigbubba 6y ago
        Huh, so that's basically the excuse TPB uses right? "We don't host content, just links to content."
      - jefftk 6y ago
        It's hosted on gitlab.com: $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:04:10 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/\ 2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:05:03 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://gitlab.com/dstftw/\ youtube-dl/uploads/99d745f22ca3c2a8e9a2\ 3def5446289a/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
        JosephRedfern 6y ago
        Weird. It's hosted by github.com when I run identical commands: (base) /tmp curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:13 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 (base) /tmp curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:27 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/download/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
- b0afc375b5 6y ago
  I think he's referring to a self hosted gitlab instance, not gitlab.com
- jrochkind1 6y ago
  gitlab.com, btw, does clearly advertise that they comply with DMCA takedown notices. https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/ Others in this sub-thread have identified that the downloadable releases are actually currently hosted on gitlab.com. Gitlab has their internal workflow for handling DMCA takedown's public (as with most/all of their internal policies, which is cool!). https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/security/operations/trustandsafety/dmca-removal-requests.html https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/security/opera... It may be that they go a little bit slower with more chance for the alleged infringer to respond (with a counter-notice or voluntary takedown) than others. But in the end, any major US company (or company doing business with the US) is probably going to comply with the DMCA, which says that if you get a takedown notice that is formatted correctly, you take down. Then there's a process with user filing a counter-notice, then the original filer having a chance to respond to THAT, etc., that you can see in the gitlab workflow, but most of that is just how DMCA works. "If there was a valid counter-notice and no response has been received from the plaintiff within 10 days of the counter-notice being forwarded" then the content might go back up.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  The youtube-dl removal was not a DMCA takedown request, under no situation could you consider the repo to be hosting copyright material.
- jedimastert 6y ago
  > Actually, I guess I'm not sure of the consequences to a company of ignoring DMCA takedown requests (whether or not they are US companies; but Gitlab is now btw), but I assume they are not good, or why do companies bother complying? Rather than assume, I should look into it. The request is essentially a precursor to a lawsuit, so the consequences are a potential lawsuit and all of the legal fees that go along with it.

jrochkind1 6y ago

I have trouble believing gitlab would just ignore a DMCA takedown request? This is what people believe? This is something gitlab has said? Actually, I guess I'm not sure of the consequences to a company of ignoring DMCA takedown requests (whether or not they are US companies; but Gitlab is now btw), but I assume they are not good, or why do companies bother complying? Rather than assume, I should look into it. But yes, redundancy for sure.

boogies 6y ago
gitlab.com? No. https://youtube-dl.org/ https://youtube-dl.org/ ’s host? That’s almost exactly what they did. (Edit: here’s my comment on a story that details their response somewhat: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24909982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24909982).
- detaro 6y ago
  The webhost had a different situation: neither code nor binaries were hosted with them. Although DMCA specifically doesn't apply to a German hoster of course, and uberspace is run by the kinds of people that'd probably try and take this to court instead of just rolling over.
  - bigbubba 6y ago
    I don't follow, a few days ago I downloaded the tarball of the code and 'binary' (it's a Python script) from their website. Both seemed to be hosted there. https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.1...
    - boogies 6y ago
      Same, but interestingly enough today when I click the link my browser Palemoon’s popup dialog (asking whether to open in an extractor app or just download) says the file is from https://gitlab.com https://gitlab.com.
    - detaro 6y ago
      That link redirects to a file on gitlab.com, and that they don't host it was given by uberspace as part of the reason for ignoring the request.
      - bigbubba 6y ago
        Huh, so that's basically the excuse TPB uses right? "We don't host content, just links to content."
    - jefftk 6y ago
      It's hosted on gitlab.com: $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:04:10 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/\ 2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:05:03 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://gitlab.com/dstftw/\ youtube-dl/uploads/99d745f22ca3c2a8e9a2\ 3def5446289a/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
      - JosephRedfern 6y ago
        Weird. It's hosted by github.com when I run identical commands: (base) /tmp curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:13 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 (base) /tmp curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:27 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/download/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
b0afc375b5 6y ago
I think he's referring to a self hosted gitlab instance, not gitlab.com
jrochkind1 6y ago
gitlab.com, btw, does clearly advertise that they comply with DMCA takedown notices. https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/ Others in this sub-thread have identified that the downloadable releases are actually currently hosted on gitlab.com. Gitlab has their internal workflow for handling DMCA takedown's public (as with most/all of their internal policies, which is cool!). https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/security/operations/trustandsafety/dmca-removal-requests.html https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/security/opera... It may be that they go a little bit slower with more chance for the alleged infringer to respond (with a counter-notice or voluntary takedown) than others. But in the end, any major US company (or company doing business with the US) is probably going to comply with the DMCA, which says that if you get a takedown notice that is formatted correctly, you take down. Then there's a process with user filing a counter-notice, then the original filer having a chance to respond to THAT, etc., that you can see in the gitlab workflow, but most of that is just how DMCA works. "If there was a valid counter-notice and no response has been received from the plaintiff within 10 days of the counter-notice being forwarded" then the content might go back up.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
The youtube-dl removal was not a DMCA takedown request, under no situation could you consider the repo to be hosting copyright material.
jedimastert 6y ago
> Actually, I guess I'm not sure of the consequences to a company of ignoring DMCA takedown requests (whether or not they are US companies; but Gitlab is now btw), but I assume they are not good, or why do companies bother complying? Rather than assume, I should look into it. The request is essentially a precursor to a lawsuit, so the consequences are a potential lawsuit and all of the legal fees that go along with it.