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The Russian vaccine (Sputnik V) was not available and as far as I can tell still isn't. The Russian government rubber stamped it before it had gone through prop
by belval 6y ago
The Russian vaccine (Sputnik V) was not available and as far as I can tell still isn't. The Russian government rubber stamped it before it had gone through proper trials.
See: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/health/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-sputnik-v-reality-check/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/health/russia-coronavirus-vac...
(If you dislike CNN feel free to Google "Sputnik V" for plenty of other sources on why this vaccine seems very sketchy).
- collyw 6y agoThe western vaccines appear to be getting emergency approval as well, no? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-pfizer-emergency-use-authorization-fda/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-pfizer-emergency-...
- klmr 6y agoEmergency approval ≠ rubber-stamping. The “Western” vaccines are still going through proper (if accelerated) clinical trials. The Russian vaccine’s supposed efficacy and safety was announced before starting the phase III trials. That’s what’s rightly being mocked.
- collyw 6y agoThe western one is being rushed through a lot quicker than usual. We can't possibly know about long term effects.
- klmr 6y agoWe can’t know about long-term effects from the clinical trials. But that doesn’t mean that we don’t know anything about possible long-term effects — in fact, that’s categorically false. We know quite a lot about the underlying biology of these vaccines, and we have extensive data from animal testing. We can’t exclude all long-term effects but we know that they’re rather unlikely — mostly because there’s no plausible biological mechanism to cause them. In particular, based on our biological knowledge, we can categorically exclude claims from conspiracy theorists about the RNA likely being integrated into our genome: this just isn’t how any of this works, it’s fiction.
- collyw 6y agoSo what exactly do we know? From wikipedia: "mRNA vaccines are new, and before 2020, no mRNA technology platform had ever been authorized for human use, and thus there is the risk of unknown effects, both short and longer-term." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine The UK government is producing AI software to "to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs)" https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0 https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN... But yes, label people questioning the rushed out vaccine as "conspiracy theorists".
- klmr 6y ago> So what exactly do we know? A lot more than you’ll find easily digestible in a single Wikipedia article. > The UK government is producing AI software to "to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs)" The volume is expected to be high not because many actual, serious averse reactions are expected but because the vaccines are expected to be given to many people at once, and every potential averse reaction will be recorded. Most records in such ADR databases are causally unrelated to the vaccine, and merely occur coincidentally; and the vast (>99%) majority of the rest are occasional mild reactions. > But yes, label people questioning the rushed out vaccine as "conspiracy theorists". I’m not. I’m labelling specifically those people as conspiracy theorists who make up bullshit that isn’t based on actual biology but rather on complete fiction. In other words, who spew baseless lies. I’m all for robustly criticising these vaccines. But it has to happen scientifically, and by experts.