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So a vaccine can cause problems after months, but not after years? Where did you get these timeframes?

nabla9 6y ago
It can cause problems after months or years. It's just question of risk management. >Where did you get these timeframes? From government regulators in different countries. There are accelerated approval and fast track processes.
bluGill 6y ago
For all previous vaccines all side effects happened within two months. (with most of them in less than 15 minutes). We have no way of knowing when an unknown side effect might wait 10 years to show up, but there is every reason to think that won't happen.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  So how long do you think these trials ran for? Less than two months?
  - nabla9 6y ago
    Trials for these drugs have already been running for months. They stared in July and over 15,000 people have already been vaccinated. They started with with just handful of people, gradually increasing the number of people. The likelihood of hitting some genetic combination that triggers some autoimmune reaction decreases as the sample size increases and no side effects are found.
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      So again, some vague conjecture about ‘likelyhoods’ and vague handwavy timeframes. While in reality chances are all of these people already got the vaccine months ago; the study started in June. What is it that makes people lust for delays? Some irrational fear for side effects? The fear isn’t going away, there’s just more people dying every day you wait, both from corona and the measures.
      - nabla9 6y ago
        Tell me why you are right and the people working in drug development and testing are wrong?
        tinus_hn 6y ago
        No, these people aren’t wrong. People in politics who say well thank you, now we’re going to sit on it for a few months while we think about it are wrong.
    - bluGill 6y ago
      They need 2 months of everyone in phase 3 having the vaccine. Pfizer has about a week longer to wait for that, before they can submit. I haven't seen anything about when Moderna has that, other than really soon.

It can cause problems after months or years. It's just question of risk management. >Where did you get these timeframes? From government regulators in different countries. There are accelerated approval and fast track processes.

bluGill 6y ago

For all previous vaccines all side effects happened within two months. (with most of them in less than 15 minutes). We have no way of knowing when an unknown side effect might wait 10 years to show up, but there is every reason to think that won't happen.

tinus_hn 6y ago
So how long do you think these trials ran for? Less than two months?
- nabla9 6y ago
  Trials for these drugs have already been running for months. They stared in July and over 15,000 people have already been vaccinated. They started with with just handful of people, gradually increasing the number of people. The likelihood of hitting some genetic combination that triggers some autoimmune reaction decreases as the sample size increases and no side effects are found.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    So again, some vague conjecture about ‘likelyhoods’ and vague handwavy timeframes. While in reality chances are all of these people already got the vaccine months ago; the study started in June. What is it that makes people lust for delays? Some irrational fear for side effects? The fear isn’t going away, there’s just more people dying every day you wait, both from corona and the measures.
    - nabla9 6y ago
      Tell me why you are right and the people working in drug development and testing are wrong?
      - tinus_hn 6y ago
        No, these people aren’t wrong. People in politics who say well thank you, now we’re going to sit on it for a few months while we think about it are wrong.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    They need 2 months of everyone in phase 3 having the vaccine. Pfizer has about a week longer to wait for that, before they can submit. I haven't seen anything about when Moderna has that, other than really soon.