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I thought about learning chess and what it actually involes when i watched the new netflix show. i came to the relisation that it actually involes becoming goo

I thought about learning chess and what it actually involes when i watched the new netflix show. i came to the relisation that it actually involes becoming good in a very very big search space by having a lot of experience and being fast in calculating and remembering chess moves. Especially when i see how many people read up on grand masters, i came up with the theory: The normal person is running behind or trying to 'just' learn the fast pre found and pre tested moves from a handfull of people who actually played/thought those moves through. Like being a musician and only doing covers for 30 years while never playing/creating something themselfs. AI became a tool by 1. no longer needing Grand Masters to find the next level and 2. being accessable to everyone which could create new pockets discovered by AI/through AI (compute power) and being learned individual. How much real strategy is there for two really good players? Or is it more of an 'he is going for this move, i know this kind of moves and i need to intervine through moves so the opponent gets forced to play my moves'? Also: Quite impressive the dedication, respect!

Others 6y ago
I don’t think this take is quite right. In the early/late game, sure it can end up being memorization. But the game has so many states that the mid game tends to be quite complex and there is a lot of skill (calculation/tactics ect.) which is really not memorization
j4yav 6y ago
There is way more than a human can hold in their head, so games are interesting and not predetermined even at expert level. Try watching a game with commentary, such as a world championship tournament, and you'll see the kinds of thought processes that experts go through.
matsemann 6y ago
> The normal person is running behind or trying to 'just' learn the fast pre found and pre tested moves from a handfull of people who actually played/thought those moves through. Quite the opposite, amateur players play a few moves from a standard opening, and then deviate hugely from the book variations and go into uncharted territory really fast. And while pro's certainly spend an insane amount of time memorizing openings, chess is far more than rote memorization which you kinda seem to apply.
- Fumtumi 6y ago
  Are they able to reproduce it and rememeber those experiences?
  - matsemann 6y ago
    Here's a video of Magnus Carlsen being shown various board positions from another player, and then recalling which games they are from and the moves taken. [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc
pretendscholar 6y ago
> I thought about learning chess and what it actually involes when i watched the new netflix show. >i came to the relisation that it actually involes becoming good in a very very big search space by having a lot of experience and being fast in calculating and remembering chess moves. I wish I was this confident. Remembering chess moves, why didn't I think of that?

Others 6y ago

I don’t think this take is quite right. In the early/late game, sure it can end up being memorization. But the game has so many states that the mid game tends to be quite complex and there is a lot of skill (calculation/tactics ect.) which is really not memorization

j4yav 6y ago

There is way more than a human can hold in their head, so games are interesting and not predetermined even at expert level. Try watching a game with commentary, such as a world championship tournament, and you'll see the kinds of thought processes that experts go through.

matsemann 6y ago

> The normal person is running behind or trying to 'just' learn the fast pre found and pre tested moves from a handfull of people who actually played/thought those moves through. Quite the opposite, amateur players play a few moves from a standard opening, and then deviate hugely from the book variations and go into uncharted territory really fast. And while pro's certainly spend an insane amount of time memorizing openings, chess is far more than rote memorization which you kinda seem to apply.

Fumtumi 6y ago
Are they able to reproduce it and rememeber those experiences?
- matsemann 6y ago
  Here's a video of Magnus Carlsen being shown various board positions from another player, and then recalling which games they are from and the moves taken. [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc

pretendscholar 6y ago

> I thought about learning chess and what it actually involes when i watched the new netflix show. >i came to the relisation that it actually involes becoming good in a very very big search space by having a lot of experience and being fast in calculating and remembering chess moves. I wish I was this confident. Remembering chess moves, why didn't I think of that?