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Linux on desktop used to be great, but does anyone get the sense that it is going downhill? I don't even touch proprietary Nvidia drivers, all my machines are

Linux on desktop used to be great, but does anyone get the sense that it is going downhill? I don't even touch proprietary Nvidia drivers, all my machines are Radeon or Intel GPU and they used to work fine. But currently on Radeon I have to revert back to kernel 4.19 to get sleep to work. On Intel anything newer than 5.6 won't even boot. I don't get it. Maybe kernel devs mostly care about servers and VMs and are letting the desktop stuff bitrot?

blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
I have 5.9 kernels running fine on two laptops with intel graphics. Have you investigated what exactly stopped your systems from booting?
- billyjobob 6y ago
  It hangs when trying to load the i915 module. CPU goes up to 100% and display goes black. Obviously it works with some, probably most intel GPUs but seems they aren’t bothering to test it with the older ones anymore. There’s a bunch of bug reports about it, so it’s not just me. usually they get closed with some list of voodoo kernel parameters that supposedly fix the problem but none of them fix it for me.
  - blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
    Damn, that sounds frustrating :/
RMPR 6y ago
Which distro? That's very weird because most of my drivers problems are usually solved by updating the Kernel.
- billyjobob 6y ago
  I’ve tried several distros and every updated kernel up to 5.9. No distro works if it has a kernel newer than 5.6.
  - scns 6y ago
    Please report this bug.
    - billyjobob 6y ago
      I will if I get time, which is unlikely. Intel is not a volunteer-run organization nor even a small company so I'm sure they could afford a test-bed containing one of each of their GPUs to test their drivers before release if they cared about this.
      - scns 6y ago
        Just report it, it is their responsibility to reproduce and fix it, since they are paid for it.
alekq 6y ago
Yes, Linux and regressions, it is quite common and frequent annoyance. Many times I regret for not using some LTS distro, but stalled/outdated software stops me from making the switch.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  If only you could have an LTS base system with up to date applications. Sadly, the distro+repo+package model does not handle this obvious use case well.

blockmeifyoucan 6y ago

I have 5.9 kernels running fine on two laptops with intel graphics. Have you investigated what exactly stopped your systems from booting?

billyjobob 6y ago
It hangs when trying to load the i915 module. CPU goes up to 100% and display goes black. Obviously it works with some, probably most intel GPUs but seems they aren’t bothering to test it with the older ones anymore. There’s a bunch of bug reports about it, so it’s not just me. usually they get closed with some list of voodoo kernel parameters that supposedly fix the problem but none of them fix it for me.
- blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
  Damn, that sounds frustrating :/

RMPR 6y ago

Which distro? That's very weird because most of my drivers problems are usually solved by updating the Kernel.

billyjobob 6y ago
I’ve tried several distros and every updated kernel up to 5.9. No distro works if it has a kernel newer than 5.6.
- scns 6y ago
  Please report this bug.
  - billyjobob 6y ago
    I will if I get time, which is unlikely. Intel is not a volunteer-run organization nor even a small company so I'm sure they could afford a test-bed containing one of each of their GPUs to test their drivers before release if they cared about this.
    - scns 6y ago
      Just report it, it is their responsibility to reproduce and fix it, since they are paid for it.

alekq 6y ago

Yes, Linux and regressions, it is quite common and frequent annoyance. Many times I regret for not using some LTS distro, but stalled/outdated software stops me from making the switch.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
If only you could have an LTS base system with up to date applications. Sadly, the distro+repo+package model does not handle this obvious use case well.