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From the refs: Iceland revokes 400-year-old legal right in Westfjords district to kill Basques on sight https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iceland

From the refs: Iceland revokes 400-year-old legal right in Westfjords district to kill Basques on sight https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iceland-revokes-400-year-old-legal-right-westfjords-district-kill-basques-sight-10278592.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iceland-revo...

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sgt 6y ago
I wonder what would have happened if someone murdered a person before 2015 on Iceland who happened to be Basque (due to some other disagreement perhaps). Then in court, the accused would claim innocence due to the legal right that in fact was still in existence. Would he walk?
- vruiz 6y ago
  It's in the article >"The decision to do away with the decree was more symbolic than anything else," Westfjords district commissioner Jonas Gudmundsson told reporters last month. "We have laws, of course, and killing anyone — including Basques — is forbidden these days."
- avar 6y ago
  leges posteriores priores contrarias abrogant The Icelandic legal system operates on the well-established principle that later laws implicitly repeal earlier ones if they conflict[1]. So no, killing a Basque person would have been legally no different than killing anyone else. There was also a law on the books until 1991 that you could legally kill Turks on sight, due to an incident that didn't even involve Turkish people to begin with[2] (Icelanders at the time apparently didn't differentiate them from Algerians). It was repealed, but not due to any legal practicality. The Turkish national team refused to travel to Iceland unless the law was repealed, so it was struck from the books as a purely symbolic gesture. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_repeal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_repeal 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions
  - enchiridion 6y ago
    Maybe? I guess it depends on how old the law against murder is.
    - throw_away 6y ago
      & if the stone tablets it was written on aren't dated? Now we have a comparison with NULL problem in our query.
  - baud147258 6y ago
    > an incident that didn't even involve Turkish people to begin with At the time, Algeria was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire
    - Melting_Harps 6y ago
      > At the time, Algeria was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire Seems the original Vikings were afraid of being Viking'd themselves and put into Law?
vesinisa 6y ago
Holy s*it. As to why this had been decreed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaying_of_the_Spaniards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaying_of_the_Spaniards 17th century Iceland during a famine year was a very, very bleak place.
kebman 6y ago
Phew! Finally it's safe for Basques to visit Iceland again! :D Jokes aside, Iceland is a very interesting place, not just because of its incredible nature, but also its history and language, especially due to their very interesting and well preserved old texts, and also because they're so remote and insular. It's a treasure trove for etymologists and laypeople alike. It's also quite interesting to track the etymological differences between the nearby islets and countries, for instance on Faroe Islands. Personally I wonder about graph-driven language analysis, and it's a hobby project of mine to go deeper into that.
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > Phew! Finally it's safe for Basques to visit Iceland again! ¡Ahí Va La Hostia Pues, Inaki! Europe has so many of these small disputes and treaties that make absolutely no sense what so ever if solely looked at through a modern lens and with no context. As a person born in the US to a European parent it was so odd to see these little details when visiting, even within Spain itself. Specifically, and relevant to this topic, the Basque Country which has a long history of secession from the Spanish Kingdom. Catalunya is another as is Valencia, due to the horrible violence of the Spanish Civil War, but I had known of that already. The notion of Autonomous communities is almost antithetical to a nation state/uniter kingdom model, and yet you have it and it exists within the EU. And then when it tries to to exercise those rights it gets people thrown in jail as seen with the successful 2017 Catalan separation vote, that saw its proponents get thrown in jail, beaten and chased by secret police from Madrid and saw its leader Carles Puigdemont fled to Brussels where he still has standing as a member of Parliament somehow. He recently spoke out about the CCP's brash and belligerent violence in Hong Kong, and sought to enact legislation to curtail it. And then in the South you have Gibraltar, a part of the UK, which is some how autonomous but still physically in the Iberian peninsula. I wonder if there will be a time when the whole UK vs Iceland thing over Icesave will come up in some obscure way, as the UK put Iceland as a rouge nation on the terrorist watch-list for their refusal to bailout them out in the 2008 financial crises [0]. 0: https://www.icelandreview.com/news/iceland%E2%80%99s-president-attacks-gordon-brown-over-crisis/ https://www.icelandreview.com/news/iceland%E2%80%99s-preside...
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sgt 6y ago

I wonder what would have happened if someone murdered a person before 2015 on Iceland who happened to be Basque (due to some other disagreement perhaps). Then in court, the accused would claim innocence due to the legal right that in fact was still in existence. Would he walk?

vruiz 6y ago
It's in the article >"The decision to do away with the decree was more symbolic than anything else," Westfjords district commissioner Jonas Gudmundsson told reporters last month. "We have laws, of course, and killing anyone — including Basques — is forbidden these days."
avar 6y ago
leges posteriores priores contrarias abrogant The Icelandic legal system operates on the well-established principle that later laws implicitly repeal earlier ones if they conflict[1]. So no, killing a Basque person would have been legally no different than killing anyone else. There was also a law on the books until 1991 that you could legally kill Turks on sight, due to an incident that didn't even involve Turkish people to begin with[2] (Icelanders at the time apparently didn't differentiate them from Algerians). It was repealed, but not due to any legal practicality. The Turkish national team refused to travel to Iceland unless the law was repealed, so it was struck from the books as a purely symbolic gesture. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_repeal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_repeal 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions
- enchiridion 6y ago
  Maybe? I guess it depends on how old the law against murder is.
  - throw_away 6y ago
    & if the stone tablets it was written on aren't dated? Now we have a comparison with NULL problem in our query.
- baud147258 6y ago
  > an incident that didn't even involve Turkish people to begin with At the time, Algeria was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > At the time, Algeria was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire Seems the original Vikings were afraid of being Viking'd themselves and put into Law?

vesinisa 6y ago

Holy s*it. As to why this had been decreed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaying_of_the_Spaniards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaying_of_the_Spaniards 17th century Iceland during a famine year was a very, very bleak place.

kebman 6y ago

Phew! Finally it's safe for Basques to visit Iceland again! :D Jokes aside, Iceland is a very interesting place, not just because of its incredible nature, but also its history and language, especially due to their very interesting and well preserved old texts, and also because they're so remote and insular. It's a treasure trove for etymologists and laypeople alike. It's also quite interesting to track the etymological differences between the nearby islets and countries, for instance on Faroe Islands. Personally I wonder about graph-driven language analysis, and it's a hobby project of mine to go deeper into that.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Phew! Finally it's safe for Basques to visit Iceland again! ¡Ahí Va La Hostia Pues, Inaki! Europe has so many of these small disputes and treaties that make absolutely no sense what so ever if solely looked at through a modern lens and with no context. As a person born in the US to a European parent it was so odd to see these little details when visiting, even within Spain itself. Specifically, and relevant to this topic, the Basque Country which has a long history of secession from the Spanish Kingdom. Catalunya is another as is Valencia, due to the horrible violence of the Spanish Civil War, but I had known of that already. The notion of Autonomous communities is almost antithetical to a nation state/uniter kingdom model, and yet you have it and it exists within the EU. And then when it tries to to exercise those rights it gets people thrown in jail as seen with the successful 2017 Catalan separation vote, that saw its proponents get thrown in jail, beaten and chased by secret police from Madrid and saw its leader Carles Puigdemont fled to Brussels where he still has standing as a member of Parliament somehow. He recently spoke out about the CCP's brash and belligerent violence in Hong Kong, and sought to enact legislation to curtail it. And then in the South you have Gibraltar, a part of the UK, which is some how autonomous but still physically in the Iberian peninsula. I wonder if there will be a time when the whole UK vs Iceland thing over Icesave will come up in some obscure way, as the UK put Iceland as a rouge nation on the terrorist watch-list for their refusal to bailout them out in the 2008 financial crises [0]. 0: https://www.icelandreview.com/news/iceland%E2%80%99s-president-attacks-gordon-brown-over-crisis/ https://www.icelandreview.com/news/iceland%E2%80%99s-preside...
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