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Same here. I used Linux for 10+ years, then at one point, copy/paste between browser and terminal stopped working. I got mad at that shit (yes, also constant ti

by zvrba 6y ago

Same here. I used Linux for 10+ years, then at one point, copy/paste between browser and terminal stopped working. I got mad at that shit (yes, also constant tinkering, subpar drivers, etc.) and installed windows, never looked back. And yes, font rendering is horrible. I went out of my way to find bitmapped fonts for coding. And yes, trying to get audio mixing to work on Linux was just a waste of time. My Win10 machine runs rock-solid, when I'm done for the day I put it to sleep, and resume my session the next day in under 10 seconds. Like 90% of my reboots (and it's like WEEKS in between) are due to updates.

blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
Can you expand on the driver problems you had? I keep reading this here but people never give actual examples.
- zvrba 6y ago
  First and foremost, sound. I tried to get mixing -- simultaneous playback from different programs -- to work, spent like half an hour on trying to figure out and gave up. On Windows, it works out of the box, so half an hour was more than generous allotment of time. Next, sleep / resume. Has never worked for me on Linux; at the work place where I used Linux, I just let the machine run overnight. That would be a no-go at home, as I sleep in the same room. When I got a new machine, I installed Linux only to check that the HW was working and to download Win installation. The kernel had only experimental support for the chipset and integrated graphics (Intel, Skylake just about came out). I had to enable it with boot switches, after which I was able to start GUI (X). However, the GUI randomly and completely froze the machine, a hard reset was required. I also think that audio mixing didn't work out of the box. I also tried copy/paste for the fun of it, it did work this time, but only if I managed to guess the "correct" clipboard. Thanks, but no thanks. $100-ish license that I paid for Windows Professional has paid itself out immensely with things that "just work" out of the box. My time is worth way more than $100.
  - blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
    > Skylake From this I gather that we are talking ~5 years ago? > First and foremost, sound. I tried to get mixing -- simultaneous playback from different programs I remember this being a problem 10 years ago, but not since pulseaudio. > sleep / resume I successfully use systemctl suspend a lot. But yeah, depends on the hardware, def. a pain point. > experimental support for the chipset [...] completely froze Not sure what to respond to this. Experimental drivers are expected to be, well, experimental, as in highly unstable. > clipboard Ok. Thanks for the info, this will be helpful to know what to look out for when getting New hardware.
    - zvrba 6y ago
      > Not sure what to respond to this. Experimental drivers are expected to be, well, experimental, as in highly unstable. This is what to make of this: The then-latest linux kernel did not support then-latest hardware.
      - blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
        Thank you for the response. this helped me understand better how people come to conclusions like this. You want to be able to buy bleeding edge hardware without checking for driver support and have it just work. That is important enough for you to prefer windows for this reason. Fair enough. Something to think about: What do you think causes this situation that on day one windows has a stable driver and Linux doesn't? Could it have anything to do with the cooperation of the hardware vendor? Assuming you actually wanted to run linux, would there be any way you as an end user could work around this problem? Is there anything people could do to improve the overall situation? Maybe something more helpful than puplicly complaining about experimental drivers being experimental? It's ok if you don't care about this. But characterizing the story above as "linux has driver problems" strikes me as something between superficial and disengenious. But yeah, you can't always blindly throw the newest Linux at the newest hardware and expect it to work. Free Software requires a a certain amount of taking responsibility for your own computing.
- simooooo 6y ago
  Nvidia not supporting multiple refresh rates on multiple monitors without having to screw around with config files Unable to disable mouse acceleration in some distros without screwing around with config files choppy YouTube playback which I guess is some video driver compatability issue
- red75prime 6y ago
  Another example. Laptop SP513-52N-59M4, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Non-operational driver for USB fingerprint sensor ID 04f3:0c03 (ELAN). "Device disconnected" error when trying to add a fingerprint. Probably not a driver problem, but screen tearing while playing youtube videos is annoying.

by zvrba 6y ago

blockmeifyoucan 6y ago

Can you expand on the driver problems you had? I keep reading this here but people never give actual examples.

zvrba 6y ago
First and foremost, sound. I tried to get mixing -- simultaneous playback from different programs -- to work, spent like half an hour on trying to figure out and gave up. On Windows, it works out of the box, so half an hour was more than generous allotment of time. Next, sleep / resume. Has never worked for me on Linux; at the work place where I used Linux, I just let the machine run overnight. That would be a no-go at home, as I sleep in the same room. When I got a new machine, I installed Linux only to check that the HW was working and to download Win installation. The kernel had only experimental support for the chipset and integrated graphics (Intel, Skylake just about came out). I had to enable it with boot switches, after which I was able to start GUI (X). However, the GUI randomly and completely froze the machine, a hard reset was required. I also think that audio mixing didn't work out of the box. I also tried copy/paste for the fun of it, it did work this time, but only if I managed to guess the "correct" clipboard. Thanks, but no thanks. $100-ish license that I paid for Windows Professional has paid itself out immensely with things that "just work" out of the box. My time is worth way more than $100.
- blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
  > Skylake From this I gather that we are talking ~5 years ago? > First and foremost, sound. I tried to get mixing -- simultaneous playback from different programs I remember this being a problem 10 years ago, but not since pulseaudio. > sleep / resume I successfully use systemctl suspend a lot. But yeah, depends on the hardware, def. a pain point. > experimental support for the chipset [...] completely froze Not sure what to respond to this. Experimental drivers are expected to be, well, experimental, as in highly unstable. > clipboard Ok. Thanks for the info, this will be helpful to know what to look out for when getting New hardware.
  - zvrba 6y ago
    > Not sure what to respond to this. Experimental drivers are expected to be, well, experimental, as in highly unstable. This is what to make of this: The then-latest linux kernel did not support then-latest hardware.
    - blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
      Thank you for the response. this helped me understand better how people come to conclusions like this. You want to be able to buy bleeding edge hardware without checking for driver support and have it just work. That is important enough for you to prefer windows for this reason. Fair enough. Something to think about: What do you think causes this situation that on day one windows has a stable driver and Linux doesn't? Could it have anything to do with the cooperation of the hardware vendor? Assuming you actually wanted to run linux, would there be any way you as an end user could work around this problem? Is there anything people could do to improve the overall situation? Maybe something more helpful than puplicly complaining about experimental drivers being experimental? It's ok if you don't care about this. But characterizing the story above as "linux has driver problems" strikes me as something between superficial and disengenious. But yeah, you can't always blindly throw the newest Linux at the newest hardware and expect it to work. Free Software requires a a certain amount of taking responsibility for your own computing.
simooooo 6y ago
Nvidia not supporting multiple refresh rates on multiple monitors without having to screw around with config files Unable to disable mouse acceleration in some distros without screwing around with config files choppy YouTube playback which I guess is some video driver compatability issue
red75prime 6y ago
Another example. Laptop SP513-52N-59M4, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Non-operational driver for USB fingerprint sensor ID 04f3:0c03 (ELAN). "Device disconnected" error when trying to add a fingerprint. Probably not a driver problem, but screen tearing while playing youtube videos is annoying.