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Parent author reporting back. I am going to have to sort of disagree with you there (in Lumbergh voice). In all seriousness though, you are wrong on all points
by sysrpl 6y ago
Parent author reporting back. I am going to have to sort of disagree with you there (in Lumbergh voice).
In all seriousness though, you are wrong on all points. Sorry, yes you are wrong. Rather than write a point by point rebuttal, against my common sense (you know, the thing about arguing with someone one the Internet) I'll just write a few paragraphs, provide some professional anecdotal and maybe quantitative evidence, and allow others to decide what's reasonable.
I build laptops and desktops for students of whom I teach programming and electronics. I build both new and used systems, and I loan and sell a lot of computers. Students get the loaners, buyers fund profits to buy more students computers. That said I experience a wide variety of actual system performance information across a large spectrum of computers.
Linux installs faster than Windows by a lot. When booting it's my experience that Linux can open a task manager (sometimes called system monitor on Linux) quicker than on a Windows system, the same goes for the file manager (explore on Windows). Across the board most programs open faster on Linux. You can disbelieve all you want, but that's just an objective reality.
https://i.imgur.com/UxR30xG.png https://i.imgur.com/UxR30xG.png
Regarding less CPU cycles, yes again it 's true, Linux uses less. Linux has far fewer background services and other tasks running in the background doing a bunch of unnecessary stuff.
https://www.pcerror-fix.com/windows-10-services-to-disable-for-gaming https://www.pcerror-fix.com/windows-10-services-to-disable-f...
It's not just the services though. Windows is constantly scanning files for viruses or other malware, it's recording your activity, it's indexing the content of your computer as files are written or change. All this causes guess what? More CPU cycles and more memory being consumed. You may now go back and check my second point.
Moving on, you are wrong again on point number three. You don't need to download illegal Windows software to get malware. You can get it attached as an add on to free legal Windows programs.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-extends-its-adware-bundling-to-include-java-for-macs/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-extends-its-adware-bund...
https://www.information-age.com/hotbed-malware-another-blow-sourceforge-google-discovers-588-pages-malicious-software-123459675/ https://www.information-age.com/hotbed-malware-another-blow-...
Next, Windows updates are notorious for downloading updates in the background without your knowledge or consent. There are well known stories of people who were working on an important task on their Windows computer, who got up for a break and came back to see updates being applied from an automatic reboot causing their work to be forever lost.
https://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/ https://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-f...
https://www.constellationsolutions.com/informational/tired-of-losing-work-because-of-windows-10-automatic-reboots/ https://www.constellationsolutions.com/informational/tired-o...
Without a doubt Windows has more software, but I said the Linux app store experience is better than Windows. On Linux distributions have app stores that come from a curated list, and those apps are built from source by the distribution maintainer. They are verified to some degree and use the same installation methodology. On Windows this is not the case, a lot of software installs automatically without user consent. I keep getting Espon software each time I install Windows on a new computer attached to my network, gleefully telling me I need to buy ink from Epson. Additionally, Windows software often contains other adware or malware even if it comes from a Windows store. The software management side of things on Windows is a big stinking mess, which was the point I made, but yeah feel free miss that point to morph it into "Windows has more software".
When I said telemetry, that means collecting you data. You're not only being disingenuous in asserting that means downloading your personal files, you're also asking someone to prove a negative.
Regarding customization, on my distribution of choice it's very easy to change the icon or control theme, add extensions, and change those settings. There are prebuilt themes you can preview and click on to make a bunch of changes all at once, or you can click the original prebuilt to restore to the default settings.
You say the price of Linux versus Windows is 100% irrelevant nowadays. As a system builder I don't follow. Does Windows cost a system builder money or not? If it does, then it's not irrelevant.
- cambalache 6y agoYou have the patient of a saint, the person you are responding too is at best an amateur "Microsoft Evangelist"
- yuhong 6y agoI think in a previous HN thread I got unkilled I talked about the problems of CompatTelRunner and Appraiser, shipped with Windows 7/8/8.1 updates and which even MS employees like Billy O'Neal complain about. I deliberately installed the updates that contain CompatTelRunner and Appraiser on an old Windows 7 laptop with a hard drive to demonstrate its problems.
- roytries 6y agoI find this an extremely weird set of argument. Opening the task manager or explorer takes less time than I can measure on both Windows and Linux... what kind of metric is this? As for background services, of course they spend (at that moment unused resources). But you completely forego that they have an actual usefulness. Indexing files makes searching later faster. Prefetching makes loading commonly used programs faster. Virus scanning keeps your computer safe. Telemetry helps developers recognize issues and prioritize bugs, even stop hackers in time. The article you mentioned wants you to disable the firewall (bad advice) but also a lot of services that are not even consuming resources unless you have the necessary policies/hardware, like the bluetooth service or touch screen service. Not that Windows these days runs from high-end server to low powered ARM devices, while still looking generally the same. This is not the same Windows from 20 years ago where you could easily tweak the system to get some more performance out of it. These days Windows comes out of the box running as fast as it can, while giving a reasonable user experience. As for software, on Windows you're free to install all the software you want (just as on Linux), some software is not so nice, just as on Linux. I find it hard to blame Windows itself for that. Microsoft does not curate all the software you can install it, and a user is free to install what they want. The only OSes where this is really different are mobile OSes.
- ubercow13 6y agoOpening software takes a lot of time on Windows. It's mainly due to the antivirus. I recently tested it myself; I forget the numbers but basically having Microsoft's AV enabled adds a good fraction of a second, or maybe more, to every program launch.