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> Deng shepherded economic reforms critical to China's success after it was left in dire straits by Mao. A single person isn't responsible for anything in a ma

by disown 6y ago

> Deng shepherded economic reforms critical to China's success after it was left in dire straits by Mao. A single person isn't responsible for anything in a major country. Especially a country the size of china. Whenever you are told it is, you are being fed propaganda. Whether it's Xi, Putin, Trump, etc. > What Xi is doing now, such as halting major IPOs because of perceived criticism from successful CEOs See what I mean. Do you think Xi called any journalist at the WSJ or bloomberg and told them he's going to halt Ant's IPO because of what Jack Ma said? Or do you think it is nonsense "journalists" made up because they needed a story to sell? Sort of like how everyday after the bell, the news gives us a reason for why the dow went up or down a few points? Do you just believe nonsense you read in the newspaper? > is more akin to Mao's sensitive nature than Deng's economic leadership. Oh god, it's amazing how people just parrot propaganda. Yeah, deng's "amazing economic leadership". But there is no deng's economic leadership without mao meeting nixon. And mao doesn't meet nixon without hundred or thousands of sino-american meetings behind the scenes. Do you think Mao just decided on a whim one day to meet nixon? Do you think Deng was the one that set out china's econonic goals? Or do you think in a nation of 1.4 billion people, they had help? Do you think that Ant's IPO was halted because of Xi and what Jack Ma said or do you think it was because china's regulatory agencies and intelligence apparatus had issues with it? Just think about it. Everyone has the capacity to think and reason. Lucky for the news industry, most people don't bother otherwise, they'd be out of business.

eunos 6y ago
> And mao doesn't meet nixon without hundred or thousands of sino-american meetings behind the scenes. Do you think Mao just decided on a whim one day to meet nixon? Interestingly it started with a table tennis player https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping-pong_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping-pong_diplomacy
thaumasiotes 6y ago
> But there is no deng's economic leadership without mao meeting nixon. And mao doesn't meet nixon without hundred or thousands of sino-american meetings behind the scenes. This makes no sense. If China were completely isolated, it would still have corrected to the point where it could operate without everybody just dying in the streets. And that correction would have been a suite of economic reforms, since the economic policies were what was making everybody die in the streets. An interaction with the United States might have hastened this, or included some minor US-specific side effects, but over the long term it's meaningless.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  The OP is saying Deng's leadership is not the whole picture of China's economic reform. I read your statement as the same idea. As for what factors are working in addition to Deng, you might think one way, which is indeed the case; but the OP thinks Mao's work is a part of that as well, which also makes sense. In the end, I doubt anyone can settle the details here. As CCP does not disclose historical records as openly as US. So literally no one has the data to prove one way or the other.

by disown 6y ago

eunos 6y ago

> And mao doesn't meet nixon without hundred or thousands of sino-american meetings behind the scenes. Do you think Mao just decided on a whim one day to meet nixon? Interestingly it started with a table tennis player https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping-pong_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping-pong_diplomacy

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> But there is no deng's economic leadership without mao meeting nixon. And mao doesn't meet nixon without hundred or thousands of sino-american meetings behind the scenes. This makes no sense. If China were completely isolated, it would still have corrected to the point where it could operate without everybody just dying in the streets. And that correction would have been a suite of economic reforms, since the economic policies were what was making everybody die in the streets. An interaction with the United States might have hastened this, or included some minor US-specific side effects, but over the long term it's meaningless.

justicezyx 6y ago
The OP is saying Deng's leadership is not the whole picture of China's economic reform. I read your statement as the same idea. As for what factors are working in addition to Deng, you might think one way, which is indeed the case; but the OP thinks Mao's work is a part of that as well, which also makes sense. In the end, I doubt anyone can settle the details here. As CCP does not disclose historical records as openly as US. So literally no one has the data to prove one way or the other.