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I don't believe the current scientific consensus has meat consumption as a risk factor for gout. I read a paper recently that specifically mentioned that simple

I don't believe the current scientific consensus has meat consumption as a risk factor for gout. I read a paper recently that specifically mentioned that simple sugars (glucose, fructose, sucrose) and purine. Purine is present in quantity in certain organ meats, but not meats that most people eat frequently, and you're more likely to get it from legumes.

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scythe 6y ago
See e.g. the Arthritis Foundation: https://www.arthritis.org/health-wellness/healthy-living/nutrition/healthy-eating/which-foods-are-safe-for-gout https://www.arthritis.org/health-wellness/healthy-living/nut... EDIT: Coffee good! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049017216000299?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00490...
javitury 6y ago
A quick search on the internet shows the opposite. Most popular legumes don't have high levels of purines despite having high protein levels. Also "higher total dietary protein intake from mainly poultry and fish/shellfish was associated with an increased risk of gout, while dietary intake of soy and nonsoy legumes was associated with a reduced risk of gout." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939435/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939435/
thomasfromcdnjs 6y ago
Why the down votes for an alternative opinion? There are a lot of people who saying the same thing. There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase changes of gout. Edit: I will just add, it seems to be the last half century of nutrition "science" has largely been wrong. I hope more people keep exploring things for themselves instead of getting our top down advice from the experts.
- p1necone 6y ago
  "alternative opinions" are not science.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    All opinions on a forum are "alternative opinions". We can't tell if somebody is a scientist here, or whether they're talking shit or not, or whether the consensus (like in many cases) are old wives tales (like "fat is bad for you"). Even peer reviewed papers are "alternative opinions". Unless it has been peer reviewed in several papers, repeated, empirically proven, and got into textbooks, I wouldn't consider anything a "solid scientific truth".
    - Anthony-G 6y ago
      Agreed. I take new, exciting findings with a hefty dollop of salt. I’m prepared to wait for replication of findings and/or a meta-analysis of a large body of work before taking medical or health-based research too seriously.
- easytiger 6y ago
  It's not an alternative opinion, that's the prevailing concensus
- p1necone 6y ago
  > There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase chances of gout. I can't find any, link? Sounds like there are vegetables which are high in purines, which are suspected to be related to gout. But studies consistently show that those vegetables do not have an effect, whereas meat, fish etc do. (Also I suspect the downvotes are because the comment claimed that this was the "prevailing opinion", which it is not)
lwansbrough 6y ago
I'm not concerned what scientists think about meat. This is not a theoretical problem for me and cutting out red meat has kept my uric acid levels nominal.

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scythe 6y ago

See e.g. the Arthritis Foundation: https://www.arthritis.org/health-wellness/healthy-living/nutrition/healthy-eating/which-foods-are-safe-for-gout https://www.arthritis.org/health-wellness/healthy-living/nut... EDIT: Coffee good! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049017216000299?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00490...

javitury 6y ago

A quick search on the internet shows the opposite. Most popular legumes don't have high levels of purines despite having high protein levels. Also "higher total dietary protein intake from mainly poultry and fish/shellfish was associated with an increased risk of gout, while dietary intake of soy and nonsoy legumes was associated with a reduced risk of gout." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939435/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939435/

thomasfromcdnjs 6y ago

Why the down votes for an alternative opinion? There are a lot of people who saying the same thing. There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase changes of gout. Edit: I will just add, it seems to be the last half century of nutrition "science" has largely been wrong. I hope more people keep exploring things for themselves instead of getting our top down advice from the experts.

p1necone 6y ago
"alternative opinions" are not science.
- coldtea 6y ago
  All opinions on a forum are "alternative opinions". We can't tell if somebody is a scientist here, or whether they're talking shit or not, or whether the consensus (like in many cases) are old wives tales (like "fat is bad for you"). Even peer reviewed papers are "alternative opinions". Unless it has been peer reviewed in several papers, repeated, empirically proven, and got into textbooks, I wouldn't consider anything a "solid scientific truth".
  - Anthony-G 6y ago
    Agreed. I take new, exciting findings with a hefty dollop of salt. I’m prepared to wait for replication of findings and/or a meta-analysis of a large body of work before taking medical or health-based research too seriously.
easytiger 6y ago
It's not an alternative opinion, that's the prevailing concensus
p1necone 6y ago
> There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase chances of gout. I can't find any, link? Sounds like there are vegetables which are high in purines, which are suspected to be related to gout. But studies consistently show that those vegetables do not have an effect, whereas meat, fish etc do. (Also I suspect the downvotes are because the comment claimed that this was the "prevailing opinion", which it is not)

lwansbrough 6y ago

I'm not concerned what scientists think about meat. This is not a theoretical problem for me and cutting out red meat has kept my uric acid levels nominal.