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I think your painting with a pretty broad brush. Sitting aside your bad experience at the licensing office (and general negativity on the culture), someone movi

by redm 6y ago

I think your painting with a pretty broad brush. Sitting aside your bad experience at the licensing office (and general negativity on the culture), someone moving from SF may have a higher quality of life, depending on what they value. For example, more space, lower cost of living, lower taxes, ability to travel more, save more, have a larger house, etc. You can trade tornado's for wild-fire's and earthquakes. I lived in LA for 5 years, and in SF proper for 3. I live in the midwest now and I prefer it, not because of the weather, but for the cost.

techsupporter 6y ago
> depending on what they value And therein lies the rub. We had the big house (that we had to clean more often and pay more to heat, cool, and maintain), the huge yard with lots of space (that we had to spend hours every weekend dealing with, along with the cost), the two cars (with their own costs and hassles), and so on. What we didn't have was the respect of our community, or at least the recognition that families like ours should be full members of society. It's fucking awful to hear your governor on TV crowing about how immigrants are "ruining the state," or that the latest environmental-disaster of a highway project is "true freedom." No amount of money can ever make up for that. Where we live now, we still get to save, we still are able to travel (well, pandemic notwithstanding), and we need not drive everywhere to do it and we feel accepted--or at least somewhere between begrudgingly tolerated and utterly adored--by the government of our state. I used to optimize for cost; no longer.
- geodel 6y ago
  Good for you. You seemed to move to place that sit right with your political positions.
  - sicromoft 6y ago
    Wanting to be respected by their community is a political position?
    - bruceb 6y ago
      or some people always looking for a reason to be offended or feel like someone doesn't like them. There are plenty of people in a self righteous bubble who think they are enlightened and those in the red states are mouth breathers who spend their day looking to hate people. Meanwhile you see people in the Bay Area with BLM signs in their yard yet no actual black lives live in their neighborhood.
- sgustard 6y ago
  I was hoping someone would make this comment. White flight to a red state is nothing new. My neighbors in the bay area represent dozens of cultures and no one's going to pay me to give that up.
  - mint2 6y ago
    As a CA native, I feel weird and out of place when in any area with a single overwhelmingly dominant ethnicity. Whether it’s the Midwest or Shanghai, it just feels weird like something is off. I’m just too used to very multicultural areas.
    - effingwewt 6y ago
      This comment makes no sense to me. All over California are neighborhoods (Chinatown) and entire cities (Rosemead) that segregated themselves because they wanted more familiarity, which makes sense.
      - KittenInABox 6y ago
        Neighborhoods being segregated is much more different than entire geographical regions. People in those neighbourhoods still travel around. Also, Rosemead's most populace race according to wikipedia is only 60% asian. That's a far, far cry from 80-90+% white regions. (I should also note that the idea they wanted familiarity is just one part of why specific minorities live together. Another is because of the effects of racism actively rejecting any attempt to integrate.)
        effingwewt 6y ago
        All good points, I've been through both for a few days each recently and enjoyed myself. I wondered what the line is between a common community Vs forced segregation.
      - mint2 6y ago
        Ehh what a nitpick. Okay I confess I grew up in the Bay Area not Redding or Yreka. Ca is massive so pardon me for referring to the areas most people associate with it, the bay area and La. anyway, yes there are neighborhoods that are monocultures, but they aren’t walled off ghazas where people’s movement is restricted. And even with some areas being clustered, there’s still a lot of dispersion. And that said, again CA is massive like many states, which non Californians probably overlook, and I wouldn’t enjoy living in quite a few areas even in the LA area. Looking at you palos verdes.
megablast 6y ago
Not about having to drive everywhere, which is a deal breaker for me.
- JSavageOne 6y ago
  Unfortunately that's basically the case everywhere in the U.S. outside of NYC, SF, and DC.
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by redm 6y ago

techsupporter 6y ago

> depending on what they value And therein lies the rub. We had the big house (that we had to clean more often and pay more to heat, cool, and maintain), the huge yard with lots of space (that we had to spend hours every weekend dealing with, along with the cost), the two cars (with their own costs and hassles), and so on. What we didn't have was the respect of our community, or at least the recognition that families like ours should be full members of society. It's fucking awful to hear your governor on TV crowing about how immigrants are "ruining the state," or that the latest environmental-disaster of a highway project is "true freedom." No amount of money can ever make up for that. Where we live now, we still get to save, we still are able to travel (well, pandemic notwithstanding), and we need not drive everywhere to do it and we feel accepted--or at least somewhere between begrudgingly tolerated and utterly adored--by the government of our state. I used to optimize for cost; no longer.

geodel 6y ago
Good for you. You seemed to move to place that sit right with your political positions.
- sicromoft 6y ago
  Wanting to be respected by their community is a political position?
  - bruceb 6y ago
    or some people always looking for a reason to be offended or feel like someone doesn't like them. There are plenty of people in a self righteous bubble who think they are enlightened and those in the red states are mouth breathers who spend their day looking to hate people. Meanwhile you see people in the Bay Area with BLM signs in their yard yet no actual black lives live in their neighborhood.
sgustard 6y ago
I was hoping someone would make this comment. White flight to a red state is nothing new. My neighbors in the bay area represent dozens of cultures and no one's going to pay me to give that up.
- mint2 6y ago
  As a CA native, I feel weird and out of place when in any area with a single overwhelmingly dominant ethnicity. Whether it’s the Midwest or Shanghai, it just feels weird like something is off. I’m just too used to very multicultural areas.
  - effingwewt 6y ago
    This comment makes no sense to me. All over California are neighborhoods (Chinatown) and entire cities (Rosemead) that segregated themselves because they wanted more familiarity, which makes sense.
    - KittenInABox 6y ago
      Neighborhoods being segregated is much more different than entire geographical regions. People in those neighbourhoods still travel around. Also, Rosemead's most populace race according to wikipedia is only 60% asian. That's a far, far cry from 80-90+% white regions. (I should also note that the idea they wanted familiarity is just one part of why specific minorities live together. Another is because of the effects of racism actively rejecting any attempt to integrate.)
      - effingwewt 6y ago
        All good points, I've been through both for a few days each recently and enjoyed myself. I wondered what the line is between a common community Vs forced segregation.
    - mint2 6y ago
      Ehh what a nitpick. Okay I confess I grew up in the Bay Area not Redding or Yreka. Ca is massive so pardon me for referring to the areas most people associate with it, the bay area and La. anyway, yes there are neighborhoods that are monocultures, but they aren’t walled off ghazas where people’s movement is restricted. And even with some areas being clustered, there’s still a lot of dispersion. And that said, again CA is massive like many states, which non Californians probably overlook, and I wouldn’t enjoy living in quite a few areas even in the LA area. Looking at you palos verdes.

megablast 6y ago

Not about having to drive everywhere, which is a deal breaker for me.

JSavageOne 6y ago
Unfortunately that's basically the case everywhere in the U.S. outside of NYC, SF, and DC.

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