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I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch
by techsupporter 6y ago
I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek.
I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require "proof of legal status" to renew a driving license, gave my wife shit for having "married up to America" when she presented her green card as proof of status. (Never mind that my wife had been a permanent resident for years prior to us meeting.)
Everywhere has its upsides and its flaws, but at least where I live now has the benefit of the vast majority of people and culture here doesn't want to throw my loved ones out on their ear. Perhaps some of the new arrivals moving there will change that culture. I hope so.
- symlinkk 6y agoYou’re delusional if you think California is the only place that has good weather and isn’t racist
- junkrat002 6y ago(S)He didn't say anything about California.
- symlinkk 6y agoThe article is titled “Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10,000 to leave California”
- stouset 6y ago… and is about a program that pays people to relocate to Tulsa.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoTo be fair, that title really isn't engendering understanding.
- stouset 6y agoTo be fair, I expect people to at least make it to the second sentence of an article on Hacker News before rushing to criticize people in the comments.
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- anonuser123456 6y agoSentence number 2: "The program, started by the George Kaiser Family Foundation, is paying people $10,000 to move to Tulsa, Okla"
- ketzo 6y agoIt might not be the only place, but it’s sure as shit better than many.
- cortesoft 6y agoThe comment you are replying to never even mentioned California, they are just saying they would never move back to Tulsa.
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- kordlessagain 6y agoLiterally everything the Republican party says nowadays is based on internal fantasy, mostly involving their "great leader" (or as you put it, not so bad leader). Anyone who tells another person they are "delusional" when they are sharing their personal experience is, in my experience, actually the delusional party. So, you are actually the one that is delusional! If you can't stand the heat... I was born and raised in Oklahoma. Should have left earlier, but I got out. If you want to have your blue political sign stolen out of your yard, move to Oklahoma. Not everyone there is a redneck jerk, but they have a leg up on a few states, that's for sure.
- paxys 6y agoDid anyone claim that it was?
- pqoek 6y agoPart of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry But I can understand that one wouldn't want to be the one that has to suffer for the good cause, because it takes generations for things to improve. The great thing about religion is that it attracts fanatics who are willing to do this work. I wish there was a movement to make the world a better place with missionaries going abroad and to remote places to make people more open minded and less individualistic.
- austincheney 6y ago> Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry Yes, bigotry is a nasty stain. Otherwise this thought sounds so tone deaf. The common perception outside California is that Californians royally fucked it up and are flooding out like water from a ruptured damn, except they are bringing their political baggage with them to damage their new home just like the thing they can’t escape from fast enough.
- Retric 6y agoIt’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. People try and recreate Silicon Valley while arguing non competes must be enforced. As if the ideas must inherently be unrelated.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoI also agree it seems like some weird cognitive dissonance to look down on California’s labor and environmental laws, as if many people like to pretend they’re in the owner class. Sure, some are crazy, but overall it’s a trend in the right direction to benefit the vast majority of worker bees, at least the ones who aren’t pretending they’re going to be millionaires.
- kylequest 6y agoAside from not allowing non-competes what is there to copy?
- mjfl 6y agoif you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago> if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? I think of my New York City taxes as a country club fee. That way they aren’t half bad. If I made a little less or a lot more they would be a problem. But having distance from racists, homophobes and idiots, who tend to congregate in low-cost places for being, generally, useless, is worth a few tens of thousands of dollars a year. The wealthy in Tulsa, after all, pay similarly to castle themselves.
- said 6y ago>Trade private equity in technology companies. Former aerospace investment banker and before that, algorithmic equity derivatives trader. You're so Jewish.
- rafram 6y ago> for being, generally, useless While I understand what you’re going for here, this feels a bit eugenics-ish to me. They are as much a human being as you are and people are capable of change. Odds are they didn’t choose to live there.
- HarryHirsch 6y agoThe million-dollar question that it's all about is if the locals choose to be ignorant assholes or if they don't know better because of circumstances - multigenerational bad education and ready availability of Foxnews. You'd actually say that anyone who could moved away long ago, and it's only the dregs of society that are still there.
- redm 6y agoI think your painting with a pretty broad brush. Sitting aside your bad experience at the licensing office (and general negativity on the culture), someone moving from SF may have a higher quality of life, depending on what they value. For example, more space, lower cost of living, lower taxes, ability to travel more, save more, have a larger house, etc. You can trade tornado's for wild-fire's and earthquakes. I lived in LA for 5 years, and in SF proper for 3. I live in the midwest now and I prefer it, not because of the weather, but for the cost.
- techsupporter 6y ago> depending on what they value And therein lies the rub. We had the big house (that we had to clean more often and pay more to heat, cool, and maintain), the huge yard with lots of space (that we had to spend hours every weekend dealing with, along with the cost), the two cars (with their own costs and hassles), and so on. What we didn't have was the respect of our community, or at least the recognition that families like ours should be full members of society. It's fucking awful to hear your governor on TV crowing about how immigrants are "ruining the state," or that the latest environmental-disaster of a highway project is "true freedom." No amount of money can ever make up for that. Where we live now, we still get to save, we still are able to travel (well, pandemic notwithstanding), and we need not drive everywhere to do it and we feel accepted--or at least somewhere between begrudgingly tolerated and utterly adored--by the government of our state. I used to optimize for cost; no longer.
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- dfee 6y agoFunny, from Broken Arrow myself, but indeed, have no intention moving back for very similar reasons.
- sgustard 6y agoHas Tulsa agreed to look for the mass graves of its citizens killed in the race massacre yet? Seems like that might deter the level of "diversity" the city is looking for.
- bruceb 6y agoTulsa is 15.6% Black San Francisco is 6.1% Black Would maybe slow the roll on who is more diverse.
- jzoch 6y agoSan Francisco. Hands down. I mean c'mon. This is not token diversity - San Francisco, with its many many cultures and immigrants from all over the world constantly intermingling and its many industries is far more diverse than a midwest town. Even if there are more of one type of minority in that town.
- dragonwriter 6y agoTulsa is more Black than SF. Also, more White than SF. SF is more diverse (even just racially; ethnicity and national origin just makes that even more clear.) There's more to the world that White and Black. (Also, in the Bay Area, Oakland is 22.7% Black and about the population of Tulsa, so if you are looking for concentrated Blackness, the Bay Area has Tulsa beat on that as well as diversity.)
- bruceb 6y agoThere is more to the world than black and white, but post above mine was implying black. Which from SF to San Jose (where the companies actually are) is almost all lower single digit % of pop. As for Oakland the black pop is steadily declining, and might even be sub 20% when 2020 Census #s are released, in a decade might be mid teens.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> but post above mine was implying black. No, in the context of the posts upthread of it, while it referenced an anti-black mass slaughter as an indicator of unwelcoming aspects of local culture, it did not imply that it was just talking about blacks.
- fludlight 6y ago“The only what I’ll go back is in a bag”- multiple (n=5) straight, white, ex-Texan-now-Bay-Areans. This includes me. I have never met anyone from that demographic who moved to SV from TX who espoused a different view, though they clearly exist based on the move-back fantasies common in HN comments. That said, I did know several Indians (n=4, subcontinent, not Sioux, all Hindu, not Muslim) who seemed to enjoy Texas more than the gringos. They were all highly educated like the aforementioned cohort but also really into pickup trucks. We lost touch over the years and I’m curious to see how they viewed the cultural shifts under the outgoing administration.