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Apparently what got them kicked off was this: There is a COVID-19 virus; however, COVID is not more dangerous than all other flu-like viruses that impact the r

Apparently what got them kicked off was this: There is a COVID-19 virus; however, COVID is not more dangerous than all other flu-like viruses that impact the respiratory system. COVID-19 is very manageable and doesn’t carry a higher fatality rate. Why is COVID-19 being disproportionately hyped.... The answer is… social changes under the guise of COVID-19 mitigation, are the entry point for the goals and aspirations of the political left on a national and global scale. [0] [0] https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/13/covid-19-is-the-agenda-biden-is-merely-the-delivery-vehicle/ https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/13/covid-19-is-...

60secs 6y ago
Sounds like they got kicked off for piss-poor methodology, not ideology.
- jedimastert 6y ago
  I feel like at this point you have to be actively ignoring the facts.
- p1necone 6y ago
  I would posit that piss-poor methodology is part of the ideology of the American right. This is part of the problem, by claiming things that used to be frowned upon by everybody (basically lying and misinformation) as part of their political identity they get to claim you're being biased when they get called out for their bullshit. It's gaslighting on a national scale.
  - mmastrac 6y ago
    There's just no way to argue with a group that wants to lie with impunity and support a leader that lies, breaks every norm and is generally showing signs of a being a dictator (I made the mistake of seeing his mental breakdown and tantrum on Twitter today). They'll call it censorship when you point it out, or call you a snowflake if you show that you're bothered by it. This blog is basically calling for a coup. The "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend it to the death" crowd are going to be the end of the United States. I'm lucky enough that being a Canadian in Canada gives me enough separation from this that I can check out. My heart goes out to you folks that have to live it.
    - rbanffy 6y ago
      > There's just no way to argue with a group that wants to lie with impunity and support a leader that lies, breaks every norm and is generally showing signs of a being a dictator And it should be pointed out that about 70 million Americans support this. Fermi's Great Filter may be people advocating for no filtering...
badlucklottery 6y ago
Important to note: this isn't from early 2020 where the death toll in the US was still in the thousands, this is from 2 days ago. I don't know where my line is for supporting de-platforming but it's somewhere before actively spreading dangerous disinformation.
- deleted 6y ago
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- c0g 6y ago
  What's the latest IFR for Covid vs. flu? Last I read it was 1% vs. 0.1%.
  - aaron695 6y ago
    I haven't seen anything credible (with supporting studies) saying as high as 1% since March. It's probably below .4% Depends on the population age. But probably reasonably below .4% "Across 51 locations, the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27%" https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf I suspect it will continue to drop. It seems to hit those it harms the most first and spreads quickly with them. Plus medical is getting better.
  - nl 6y ago
    Meta analysis shows an average of 0.68%[1], slowly decreasing as treatments get more effective. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220321809 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197122...
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    It’s about 0.6% COVID versus 0.1% seasonal influenza in the US. However, note that the latter figure is the IFR for the “typical” flu. The sentence quoted notes “all other flu-like viruses” - of which there are varieties that are less and more dangerous. Given that qualifier, the quoted sentence doesn’t seem obviously false to me.
s9w 6y ago
That statement is completely true as backed by many mortality numbers around the world. Just as an example, here's official mortality numbers for Germany: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Querschnitt/Corona/_Grafik/_Interaktiv/woechentliche-sterbefallzahlen-jahre.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Querschnitt/Corona/_Grafik...
- aaron695 6y ago
  The first sentence could be true. Probably not, but it's possible. It's certainly closer to the flu than most people realise. > The answer is… social changes under the guise of COVID-19 mitigation The Left is playing games. So is the Right of course. But this sentence is too strong. The Left wants power, they are doing power moves. But there's no underlying plan. They are getting a strong footing. It will allow them to implement social change. But it's not that tied together.
  - rbanffy 6y ago
    "The left wants power" so they can give you healthcare and make the rich pay taxes. At least that's the US "left", which would not be called left anywhere else in the world.
cortesoft 6y ago
Or all the posts saying the won't accept the results of the elections no matter what, and will do "whatever it takes" https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/15/president-trump-i-know-that-each-of-you-will-be-a-warrior-for-our-nation/#more-203880 https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/15/president-tr...

60secs 6y ago

Sounds like they got kicked off for piss-poor methodology, not ideology.

jedimastert 6y ago
I feel like at this point you have to be actively ignoring the facts.
p1necone 6y ago
I would posit that piss-poor methodology is part of the ideology of the American right. This is part of the problem, by claiming things that used to be frowned upon by everybody (basically lying and misinformation) as part of their political identity they get to claim you're being biased when they get called out for their bullshit. It's gaslighting on a national scale.
- mmastrac 6y ago
  There's just no way to argue with a group that wants to lie with impunity and support a leader that lies, breaks every norm and is generally showing signs of a being a dictator (I made the mistake of seeing his mental breakdown and tantrum on Twitter today). They'll call it censorship when you point it out, or call you a snowflake if you show that you're bothered by it. This blog is basically calling for a coup. The "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend it to the death" crowd are going to be the end of the United States. I'm lucky enough that being a Canadian in Canada gives me enough separation from this that I can check out. My heart goes out to you folks that have to live it.
  - rbanffy 6y ago
    > There's just no way to argue with a group that wants to lie with impunity and support a leader that lies, breaks every norm and is generally showing signs of a being a dictator And it should be pointed out that about 70 million Americans support this. Fermi's Great Filter may be people advocating for no filtering...

badlucklottery 6y ago

Important to note: this isn't from early 2020 where the death toll in the US was still in the thousands, this is from 2 days ago. I don't know where my line is for supporting de-platforming but it's somewhere before actively spreading dangerous disinformation.

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c0g 6y ago
What's the latest IFR for Covid vs. flu? Last I read it was 1% vs. 0.1%.
- aaron695 6y ago
  I haven't seen anything credible (with supporting studies) saying as high as 1% since March. It's probably below .4% Depends on the population age. But probably reasonably below .4% "Across 51 locations, the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27%" https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf I suspect it will continue to drop. It seems to hit those it harms the most first and spreads quickly with them. Plus medical is getting better.
- nl 6y ago
  Meta analysis shows an average of 0.68%[1], slowly decreasing as treatments get more effective. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220321809 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197122...
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  It’s about 0.6% COVID versus 0.1% seasonal influenza in the US. However, note that the latter figure is the IFR for the “typical” flu. The sentence quoted notes “all other flu-like viruses” - of which there are varieties that are less and more dangerous. Given that qualifier, the quoted sentence doesn’t seem obviously false to me.

s9w 6y ago

That statement is completely true as backed by many mortality numbers around the world. Just as an example, here's official mortality numbers for Germany: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Querschnitt/Corona/_Grafik/_Interaktiv/woechentliche-sterbefallzahlen-jahre.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Querschnitt/Corona/_Grafik...

aaron695 6y ago
The first sentence could be true. Probably not, but it's possible. It's certainly closer to the flu than most people realise. > The answer is… social changes under the guise of COVID-19 mitigation The Left is playing games. So is the Right of course. But this sentence is too strong. The Left wants power, they are doing power moves. But there's no underlying plan. They are getting a strong footing. It will allow them to implement social change. But it's not that tied together.
- rbanffy 6y ago
  "The left wants power" so they can give you healthcare and make the rich pay taxes. At least that's the US "left", which would not be called left anywhere else in the world.

cortesoft 6y ago

Or all the posts saying the won't accept the results of the elections no matter what, and will do "whatever it takes" https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/15/president-trump-i-know-that-each-of-you-will-be-a-warrior-for-our-nation/#more-203880 https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/15/president-tr...