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It's common for macOS updates to also update EFI and other firmware. My guess is that there's some sort of bug with either the new firmware or the firmware upd

by comex 6y ago

It's common for macOS updates to also update EFI and other firmware. My guess is that there's some sort of bug with either the new firmware or the firmware update process… as opposed to EFI state somehow being corrupted while updating unrelated parts of the OS (which is what happened in your link). These days, Windows automatically installs firmware updates as well. The old PC status quo, where most users would never receive firmware updates at all, does have the advantage of avoiding issues like this. But it also has many disadvantages, including security risks.

userbinator 6y ago
These days, Windows automatically installs firmware updates as well. Do you have any references for this? Because that is truly scary. I've heard of isolated instances of the manufacturer-installed crapware silently trying to update the BIOS in the background, failing, and resulting in bricked machines upon the next boot, but that wasn't Microsoft's doing. including security risks That is BS, unless you are talking about things like user-hostile "secure" boot, which are firmly in the area of "do not want" anyway.
- vondur 6y ago
  Just the other day I was updating a lab full of Dell Windows PC's and to my surprise, they received a firmware update view Windows update.
- justinclift 6y ago
  > These days, Windows automatically installs firmware updates as well. This happened to me. On a (primarily) Linux PC, I was having trouble with a game via Wine/Proton and thought I'd give Win10 a shot. Installed Win10 to a separate HDD, activated it, and (completely) disconnected it from the Net. Worked fine for a few days (weeks?) but then one day it announced it was installing a BIOS update. Without asking. And no way to Cancel that or somehow tell it to "DO NOT DO THIS". Note - At no point had it had an internet connection after it was activated. So the BIOS update must have been downloaded and scheduled at that time. This totally trashed my main Linux install, which uses full disk encryption and custom MOK certificates for booting. Not Happy. That being said, I have reasonable backups. So it was more of an incredulous PITA and reminder that "MS can go fuck themselves", than a data loss event.
- xodice 6y ago
  My wife's Dell gaming laptop just installed a BIOS/Firmware update today, straight from Windows Update. Surprised me to see the firmware update after doing a reboot from updates.

by comex 6y ago

userbinator 6y ago

These days, Windows automatically installs firmware updates as well. Do you have any references for this? Because that is truly scary. I've heard of isolated instances of the manufacturer-installed crapware silently trying to update the BIOS in the background, failing, and resulting in bricked machines upon the next boot, but that wasn't Microsoft's doing. including security risks That is BS, unless you are talking about things like user-hostile "secure" boot, which are firmly in the area of "do not want" anyway.

vondur 6y ago
Just the other day I was updating a lab full of Dell Windows PC's and to my surprise, they received a firmware update view Windows update.
justinclift 6y ago
> These days, Windows automatically installs firmware updates as well. This happened to me. On a (primarily) Linux PC, I was having trouble with a game via Wine/Proton and thought I'd give Win10 a shot. Installed Win10 to a separate HDD, activated it, and (completely) disconnected it from the Net. Worked fine for a few days (weeks?) but then one day it announced it was installing a BIOS update. Without asking. And no way to Cancel that or somehow tell it to "DO NOT DO THIS". Note - At no point had it had an internet connection after it was activated. So the BIOS update must have been downloaded and scheduled at that time. This totally trashed my main Linux install, which uses full disk encryption and custom MOK certificates for booting. Not Happy. That being said, I have reasonable backups. So it was more of an incredulous PITA and reminder that "MS can go fuck themselves", than a data loss event.
xodice 6y ago
My wife's Dell gaming laptop just installed a BIOS/Firmware update today, straight from Windows Update. Surprised me to see the firmware update after doing a reboot from updates.