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Soon some madlad will create a kit with pedals, a shift knob, and some noise makers for under the car plus a sweet software patch that will perfectly replicate

Soon some madlad will create a kit with pedals, a shift knob, and some noise makers for under the car plus a sweet software patch that will perfectly replicate the manual petrol experiece. A bunch of purists with then argue that despite the fact they can't reliably tell the simulated electric from the original in blind a/b testing that the original is still better because it has "soul".

gambiting 6y ago
It's already a thing in China - they created an electric car that has a clutch and 6 gears - that don't actually do anything, they are 100% simulated, including stalling the car. Why? For a training car, so people who want a manual driving licence can train on an electric car. https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/this-chinese-electric-car-designed-for-driving-schools-1844071179/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/this-chinese-elect...
romanoderoma 6y ago
It's not about soul, it's about safety Engine braking is an important part of driving safely because it avoids losing control of the steering wheels and can be used to drive at constant speed or slow down on slippery surfaces (snow, ice, water etc.) There's a reason if trucks are still mainly manual and even the automatic transmission in trucks is not the same used in cars (it's much more advanced and it's more a computer activated gear than simply automatic)
- gambiting 6y ago
  I don't understand your argument at all. Again, every single electric car(including my own) has a regenerative mode, where the car applies gentle resistance to the electric motors when you lift your foot off the throttle - I can absolutely guarantee that if you drove one you wouldn't see any difference between this and engine braking with a manual. It provides the same level of safety in slippery conditions as a manual would. The reasons why trucks don't usually have automatic transmissions is that the torque needed to move such a huge mass would destroy nearly every traditional hydrokinetic transmission, only recently dual clutches have started getting good enough to be installed in trucks, and indeed most new tractors you can buy now from Volvo, Mercedes or Scania are all automatic. It has nothing to do with safety, it was a technical limitation. And for braking trucks have a separate engine retarder that has nothing to do with the transmission.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > where the car applies gentle resistance to the electric motors when you lift your foot off the throttle are you chosing it or how much? the answer is no. you can't become an expert if you aren't allowed to control the parameters. > The reasons why trucks don't usually have automatic transmissions is that the torque needed to move such a huge mass would destroy nearly every traditional hydrokinetic transmission that's another point, automatic transmission is more expensive, less robust and increases the cost of the vehicle without adding any other benefit than being 'easier' to operate. would you fly on a plane where the pilot only knows how to use the autopilot? that's where safety comes in, when things take more time to master, people tend to become better at them Manual gear is not stupid, it is simply technically superior (it costs less and lasts more). That doesn't mean we should have levers and clutches, that's the simplistic view of wannabe futurists, trucks have something much more similar to a semi-automatic (with 10, 12, 13 gears) than a full automatic one. Truth is car makers need to sell more cars and will gladly make them do all the work "automatically" so people don't have to learn how to do it properly. If they don't do something now, the 15 years old of today will grow up without cars and in a generation cars would be a thing of the past (that would be great!). How to make them survive? Well, first of all don't make them useless, make them electric and costly and cover the added cost with people taxes that go directly in car company's pockets. Secondly make them "easy" and "cool" and "sexy" so that a teenager doesn't have to learn to drive, that's scary and dangerous, like... do you really still practice to learn? what are we, cavemen? And make them as complex as possible, so that the price won't ever go down and a Renault Zoe will cost as much as a Tesla (a Model 3s cost about 35k, a Zoe around 33k. It's just ridicoulus!). We live in the era of the iPhones where the promise is that anybody can do what any other people can do, even though there are people that spent their lives learning something and other that did not (I did not, for example). Of course it is possible when what you can do is dictate by the manufacturer, because "it dangerous out there, think of your old parents! would you give them a smartphone that let them do whatever they want? of course not" Would you give your children an ICE car? With manual transmission? Are you a criminal? The whole idea that you don't know how to not destroy the planet and the car needs to teach you how to drive responsibly, while the same car has been built by those that profited from destroying the planet's environment, always fascinated me. How did it become a good idea in people's minds?
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gambiting 6y ago

It's already a thing in China - they created an electric car that has a clutch and 6 gears - that don't actually do anything, they are 100% simulated, including stalling the car. Why? For a training car, so people who want a manual driving licence can train on an electric car. https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/this-chinese-electric-car-designed-for-driving-schools-1844071179/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/this-chinese-elect...

romanoderoma 6y ago

It's not about soul, it's about safety Engine braking is an important part of driving safely because it avoids losing control of the steering wheels and can be used to drive at constant speed or slow down on slippery surfaces (snow, ice, water etc.) There's a reason if trucks are still mainly manual and even the automatic transmission in trucks is not the same used in cars (it's much more advanced and it's more a computer activated gear than simply automatic)

gambiting 6y ago
I don't understand your argument at all. Again, every single electric car(including my own) has a regenerative mode, where the car applies gentle resistance to the electric motors when you lift your foot off the throttle - I can absolutely guarantee that if you drove one you wouldn't see any difference between this and engine braking with a manual. It provides the same level of safety in slippery conditions as a manual would. The reasons why trucks don't usually have automatic transmissions is that the torque needed to move such a huge mass would destroy nearly every traditional hydrokinetic transmission, only recently dual clutches have started getting good enough to be installed in trucks, and indeed most new tractors you can buy now from Volvo, Mercedes or Scania are all automatic. It has nothing to do with safety, it was a technical limitation. And for braking trucks have a separate engine retarder that has nothing to do with the transmission.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > where the car applies gentle resistance to the electric motors when you lift your foot off the throttle are you chosing it or how much? the answer is no. you can't become an expert if you aren't allowed to control the parameters. > The reasons why trucks don't usually have automatic transmissions is that the torque needed to move such a huge mass would destroy nearly every traditional hydrokinetic transmission that's another point, automatic transmission is more expensive, less robust and increases the cost of the vehicle without adding any other benefit than being 'easier' to operate. would you fly on a plane where the pilot only knows how to use the autopilot? that's where safety comes in, when things take more time to master, people tend to become better at them Manual gear is not stupid, it is simply technically superior (it costs less and lasts more). That doesn't mean we should have levers and clutches, that's the simplistic view of wannabe futurists, trucks have something much more similar to a semi-automatic (with 10, 12, 13 gears) than a full automatic one. Truth is car makers need to sell more cars and will gladly make them do all the work "automatically" so people don't have to learn how to do it properly. If they don't do something now, the 15 years old of today will grow up without cars and in a generation cars would be a thing of the past (that would be great!). How to make them survive? Well, first of all don't make them useless, make them electric and costly and cover the added cost with people taxes that go directly in car company's pockets. Secondly make them "easy" and "cool" and "sexy" so that a teenager doesn't have to learn to drive, that's scary and dangerous, like... do you really still practice to learn? what are we, cavemen? And make them as complex as possible, so that the price won't ever go down and a Renault Zoe will cost as much as a Tesla (a Model 3s cost about 35k, a Zoe around 33k. It's just ridicoulus!). We live in the era of the iPhones where the promise is that anybody can do what any other people can do, even though there are people that spent their lives learning something and other that did not (I did not, for example). Of course it is possible when what you can do is dictate by the manufacturer, because "it dangerous out there, think of your old parents! would you give them a smartphone that let them do whatever they want? of course not" Would you give your children an ICE car? With manual transmission? Are you a criminal? The whole idea that you don't know how to not destroy the planet and the car needs to teach you how to drive responsibly, while the same car has been built by those that profited from destroying the planet's environment, always fascinated me. How did it become a good idea in people's minds?
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