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2035 is fifteen years from now, and good EVs are competative with ICE vehicles right now. I don’t see how that’s unrealistic

tomp 6y ago
Which EV is competitive? Even the best have lower driving range, longer charging times, much more expensive and cold in the winter. I’d love to buy an EV but I can get a decent petrol/diesel car for 30k EUR and no comparable EV.
petre 6y ago
The problem is lack if EV infrastructure. And good luck to you if you live in the Outer Hebrides.
- tlb 6y ago
  What infrastructure is missing? People's homes have electricity. And the longest road trip you can do in the Outer Hebrides (Rodel to Ness) is 80 miles, so there's no obvious need for mid-way charging stations.
  - petre 6y ago
    Not if you live in an apartment building.
    - dheera 6y ago
      Install charging in every apartment parking space. Mandate it. Fund it. It will save the country trillions from lost GDP due to climate change, if GDP is what they care about.
      - crististm 6y ago
        Apparently people consider that things get done on this planet by 'mandating' or 'enforcing' a set of rules, procedures or outcomes. On _others_. I guess the jokes on me because I thought that people, society in general negotiate on important matters. Is my observation wrong or are you reading me as only condescending, facetious, luddite, troll?
        dheera 6y ago
        In general yes, but climate change is one thing that isn't going to negotiate with us. Similarly, COVID-19 doesn't negotiate, hence we mandate masks to avoid the anti-science people from getting the rest of us sick.
        crististm 6y ago
        What do you mean? Are you for real?
JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> 2035 is fifteen years from now, and good EVs are competative with ICE vehicles right now. I don’t see how that’s unrealistic Irrelevant. Fifteen years is almost a political generation. Punting pain ensures a punt. It gives cover for doing nothing during the timeline. And when expiry nears, what is the harm of another decade, A slow phase-in spreads the heartburn to a palatable level. One slow-burn strategy is a creeping mileage requirement. Another is hybrids as a Trojan horse. TL; DR I bet I could win an election in any blue-collar district running against implementing an ICE ban in 2035.

tomp 6y ago

Which EV is competitive? Even the best have lower driving range, longer charging times, much more expensive and cold in the winter. I’d love to buy an EV but I can get a decent petrol/diesel car for 30k EUR and no comparable EV.

petre 6y ago

The problem is lack if EV infrastructure. And good luck to you if you live in the Outer Hebrides.

tlb 6y ago
What infrastructure is missing? People's homes have electricity. And the longest road trip you can do in the Outer Hebrides (Rodel to Ness) is 80 miles, so there's no obvious need for mid-way charging stations.
- petre 6y ago
  Not if you live in an apartment building.
  - dheera 6y ago
    Install charging in every apartment parking space. Mandate it. Fund it. It will save the country trillions from lost GDP due to climate change, if GDP is what they care about.
    - crististm 6y ago
      Apparently people consider that things get done on this planet by 'mandating' or 'enforcing' a set of rules, procedures or outcomes. On _others_. I guess the jokes on me because I thought that people, society in general negotiate on important matters. Is my observation wrong or are you reading me as only condescending, facetious, luddite, troll?
      - dheera 6y ago
        In general yes, but climate change is one thing that isn't going to negotiate with us. Similarly, COVID-19 doesn't negotiate, hence we mandate masks to avoid the anti-science people from getting the rest of us sick.
        crististm 6y ago
        What do you mean? Are you for real?

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> 2035 is fifteen years from now, and good EVs are competative with ICE vehicles right now. I don’t see how that’s unrealistic Irrelevant. Fifteen years is almost a political generation. Punting pain ensures a punt. It gives cover for doing nothing during the timeline. And when expiry nears, what is the harm of another decade, A slow phase-in spreads the heartburn to a palatable level. One slow-burn strategy is a creeping mileage requirement. Another is hybrids as a Trojan horse. TL; DR I bet I could win an election in any blue-collar district running against implementing an ICE ban in 2035.