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Odd. Hybrids _are_ diesel or petrol cars.
by ant6n 6y ago
Odd. Hybrids _are_ diesel or petrol cars.
- dheera 6y agoYep. Smells like "I am the good guy" political agenda. Environmental bills that accomplish very little. Go all-in on electric for real change.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago> Smells like "I am the good guy" political agenda Looks like the only realistic plan. All the “fully electric by 2035” plans that hardcore environmentalists love to pass have zero chance of going into effect.
- jes5199 6y ago2035 is fifteen years from now, and good EVs are competative with ICE vehicles right now. I don’t see how that’s unrealistic
- tomp 6y agoWhich EV is competitive? Even the best have lower driving range, longer charging times, much more expensive and cold in the winter. I’d love to buy an EV but I can get a decent petrol/diesel car for 30k EUR and no comparable EV.
- petre 6y agoThe problem is lack if EV infrastructure. And good luck to you if you live in the Outer Hebrides.
- tlb 6y agoWhat infrastructure is missing? People's homes have electricity. And the longest road trip you can do in the Outer Hebrides (Rodel to Ness) is 80 miles, so there's no obvious need for mid-way charging stations.
- petre 6y agoNot if you live in an apartment building.
- dheera 6y agoInstall charging in every apartment parking space. Mandate it. Fund it. It will save the country trillions from lost GDP due to climate change, if GDP is what they care about.
- crististm 6y agoApparently people consider that things get done on this planet by 'mandating' or 'enforcing' a set of rules, procedures or outcomes. On _others_. I guess the jokes on me because I thought that people, society in general negotiate on important matters. Is my observation wrong or are you reading me as only condescending, facetious, luddite, troll?
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago> 2035 is fifteen years from now, and good EVs are competative with ICE vehicles right now. I don’t see how that’s unrealistic Irrelevant. Fifteen years is almost a political generation. Punting pain ensures a punt. It gives cover for doing nothing during the timeline. And when expiry nears, what is the harm of another decade, A slow phase-in spreads the heartburn to a palatable level. One slow-burn strategy is a creeping mileage requirement. Another is hybrids as a Trojan horse. TL; DR I bet I could win an election in any blue-collar district running against implementing an ICE ban in 2035.
- goatinaboat 6y agoYep. Smells like "I am the good guy" political agenda. Environmental bills that accomplish very little. Go all-in on electric for real change. There is absolutely not a chance that the UK could have EV charging infrastructure equivalent to the current network of filling stations in place by 2030. Hybrids can be filled as normal, operate on petrol on motorways and self-charge for use in town.
- brianwawok 6y ago95% of BEV charging happens at home. UK has a national power grid. The big part is already done. The number of super chargers you need in public places per car is pretty low. Can’t imagine with 100% saturation you would even need 10% of the gas station population to serve the country.
- goatinaboat 6y ago95% of BEV charging happens at home. Presently happens at home - for those with off-street parking. Plugging in and charging overnight makes a lot of sense for those that a) do have that and b) don't do long enough trips to need to charge elsewhere. But that leaves out an awful lot of people. And EV ranges aren't nearly as long as the manufacturers quote* in any but ideal conditions with a single occupant and no luggage. So filling stations will still be needed and they will all need superchargers. * Yes neither are ICE's but this isn't a problem for anyone because there are petrol stations everywhere
- sideshowb 6y agoI'm all in favour but would quite like to know how much spare generating and grid capacity we have, and what the demand will be if all cars go electric. I get the impression we're not building new power stations fast enough but would like to know more.
- tobylane 6y ago> Used cars, which were on the road before April 2017 and produce low levels of carbon dioxide emissions (the limit is 100g/km CO2 or less), continue to be taxed under the old system and retain their tax-free status, whether powered by petrol, diesel or electricity. The UK is making sensible small steps. That quoted rule has ended and now only electric cars are exempt from that tax. We’ve had high fuel taxes for a while, though frozen lately for poor reasons, rather than the planned increases. https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/economical-cars/low-emission-cars/333/best-tax-exempt-cars https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/economical-cars/low-emission-...
- M2Ys4U 6y agoHybrids use _way_ less fuel than pure-ICE vehicles though; I was amazed at how less frequently I had to fill up my hybrid compared to my petrol car just from the ERS. IIRC, the original ban was going to apply to hybrids too - in 2035 - but now the government are bringing the ban forwards by 5 years for pure-ICE.
- petre 6y agoDepends on the size of the battery and electric drive unit. Suzuki sells start/stop hybrids with a small battery where the electric motor is basically just an ICE starter. Also depends on how you drive it.
- _ph_ 6y agoUnfortunately, this isn't generally true. There are great hybrids like the Toyota HSD system, which do save some fuel - still about 4 liters per 100km - but a lot of the hybrids are just for compliance and when run on their main engine, they don't save fuel, sometimes even use more as they are dragging all the electric stuff with them.