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> what are some problematic "unhinged" popular left wing places? which major politicians back them? Start with anything related to BLM (notice the capitals, I'

> what are some problematic "unhinged" popular left wing places? which major politicians back them? Start with anything related to BLM (notice the capitals, I'm talking about the organisation, not the fact of skin tone not being a factor in whether your life matters), anything related to Antifa to make it easy. The former is supported by a vocal minority of the DNC, the existence of the latter is denied by the current president elect while his running mate called for her supporters to supply funds to bail out its members after they'd been arrested. From there you might want to go past organisations like Extinction Rebellion for another example of polarised rhetoric which is supported by a vocal minority of the DNC. > and why are they anywhere as near a threat to civilization & order as the divisive gun toting pissed off angry conspiratoroal rhetoric as is so widespread on the right, that even Fox News batshit crazy is no longer sufficient? Have you not followed the news - and with that I do not mean just what CNN and MSNBC say - for the last 5 months? A simple count of victims of violence would answer your question. > it is one side. the lefties hanging out in cities are not busy making new media outlets to invite ourselves into violent revolutionary overthrow & conflict. Either you're ideologically blinded, or you're intentionally talking falsehoods. The lefties hanging out in the cities are the ones who have been or have been complicit in looting and rioting. They are the ones who have tried to start actual "revolutions" - and failed horrendously since it turns out they had not really thought it trough. Do you know the concept of "steel-manning"? It is the opposite of "straw-manning" in that it is a way to see the opponent's point of view from as strong a position as possible. It can help you to see the opponent as something other than an object of hate. It can also help you find weaknesses in that opponent's position. I think you should try it instead of simply throwing well-worn epithets at anyone who does not share "your" point of view.

rektide 6y ago
black lives do matter. we should be anti-fascist. we do face possible extinction & must change. none of these seem contentious or dangerous causes, extremist. they each support basic rights to survive. I specifically asked about what we had been talking about, which is radical media outlets. you had contended that the problem was on both sides, that media was being byper-radical. I don't see examples on the left. and I don't see politicians on the left embracing extremist media. you are right that there has been some looting & some confrontations. I think you overrate the violence. destroying a store front is not, to me, a threat to civilization, especially when the cause for anger is so visceral, so real, so evident, such mass gilovernmental & systematuc injustice. I personally blame the right, blame neonazi & white nationists & other fascist forces for instigating much of the violence that anti-fascist have wound up engaged in. our assessments are very different, obviously, but I am really interested in justifications for perceiving the left media as radical & extremist. my first two questions, what are extremist left media organizations, and what politicians embrace these organizations, stands. in my view, the left is trying very hard to maintain a good civil world for as many people as it can. against enormously bitter antagonistic forces. we used to worry about Fox News as a manufacturer of lies & antagonism & shit, but the right has ratcheted up and up and up the campaign of terror & conspiratorialism it has used to whip up support, to incite it's people, and I see no clear parallels on the left.
tootie 6y ago
I live in Brooklyn about 1/4 mile from one of the biggest BLM rally points in the country. There were tens of thousands of protestors streaming through my neighborhood for months. I 100% support their cause and there is absolutely zero damage to any local business. Every morning a cleanup crew was there picking up dropped masks or other litter from the park. There was no visible rioting anywhere. Looting was taking place 30 blocks away by opportunists who knew the police were busy attacking innocent people elsewhere. And it only lasted a few days before being shut down. The protestors were mostly normal folks. Families, old and young, all colors and genders. The absolute only goal of the protests was to get some amount of accountability for police violence. For our leaders to affirm that black lives matter. Trump simply couldn't do it. He made up the story line that this was a dangerous antifa revolution and right-wing media amplified it. It was pure disinformation. MSM coverage that the protests were mostly peaceful was accurate. MSM reporting that right-wing radicals were causing more violence was true and supported by the DHS. Fear-mongering against antifa is right-wind disinformation that you have apparently fallen for. Your belief that these stories lack of coverage represents bias is actually just your own bias. They don't deserve coverage on their merits because they aren't true.
- rektide 6y ago
  so so so much downvoting. I almost never downvoted things I disagree with. the radical right, they do. so much slightly left views, getting endlessly downvoted. this is what we expect now, that the conservatives will all built & push their overexacerbated overagonizing views & accept not any counterclaims. you shouldn't be downvoted you spoke true.
  - rektide 6y ago
    every time I post something like this, I get a bunch of -1 -2's on bunch of my other posts too. I'll have been stable for many hours, then one little peep, & boom, a wave a negative downvoting, -7. such biased negative pissy forces out there. hard to believe what shit these losers are.
  - tootie 6y ago
    HN has generally stayed apolitical, but there's been an influx of Trumpism over the past year or so that I really hate. Political discussions here used to be very rational and evidence-based. This thread would be considered lame even on reddit.

rektide 6y ago

black lives do matter. we should be anti-fascist. we do face possible extinction & must change. none of these seem contentious or dangerous causes, extremist. they each support basic rights to survive. I specifically asked about what we had been talking about, which is radical media outlets. you had contended that the problem was on both sides, that media was being byper-radical. I don't see examples on the left. and I don't see politicians on the left embracing extremist media. you are right that there has been some looting & some confrontations. I think you overrate the violence. destroying a store front is not, to me, a threat to civilization, especially when the cause for anger is so visceral, so real, so evident, such mass gilovernmental & systematuc injustice. I personally blame the right, blame neonazi & white nationists & other fascist forces for instigating much of the violence that anti-fascist have wound up engaged in. our assessments are very different, obviously, but I am really interested in justifications for perceiving the left media as radical & extremist. my first two questions, what are extremist left media organizations, and what politicians embrace these organizations, stands. in my view, the left is trying very hard to maintain a good civil world for as many people as it can. against enormously bitter antagonistic forces. we used to worry about Fox News as a manufacturer of lies & antagonism & shit, but the right has ratcheted up and up and up the campaign of terror & conspiratorialism it has used to whip up support, to incite it's people, and I see no clear parallels on the left.

tootie 6y ago

I live in Brooklyn about 1/4 mile from one of the biggest BLM rally points in the country. There were tens of thousands of protestors streaming through my neighborhood for months. I 100% support their cause and there is absolutely zero damage to any local business. Every morning a cleanup crew was there picking up dropped masks or other litter from the park. There was no visible rioting anywhere. Looting was taking place 30 blocks away by opportunists who knew the police were busy attacking innocent people elsewhere. And it only lasted a few days before being shut down. The protestors were mostly normal folks. Families, old and young, all colors and genders. The absolute only goal of the protests was to get some amount of accountability for police violence. For our leaders to affirm that black lives matter. Trump simply couldn't do it. He made up the story line that this was a dangerous antifa revolution and right-wing media amplified it. It was pure disinformation. MSM coverage that the protests were mostly peaceful was accurate. MSM reporting that right-wing radicals were causing more violence was true and supported by the DHS. Fear-mongering against antifa is right-wind disinformation that you have apparently fallen for. Your belief that these stories lack of coverage represents bias is actually just your own bias. They don't deserve coverage on their merits because they aren't true.

rektide 6y ago
so so so much downvoting. I almost never downvoted things I disagree with. the radical right, they do. so much slightly left views, getting endlessly downvoted. this is what we expect now, that the conservatives will all built & push their overexacerbated overagonizing views & accept not any counterclaims. you shouldn't be downvoted you spoke true.
- rektide 6y ago
  every time I post something like this, I get a bunch of -1 -2's on bunch of my other posts too. I'll have been stable for many hours, then one little peep, & boom, a wave a negative downvoting, -7. such biased negative pissy forces out there. hard to believe what shit these losers are.
- tootie 6y ago
  HN has generally stayed apolitical, but there's been an influx of Trumpism over the past year or so that I really hate. Political discussions here used to be very rational and evidence-based. This thread would be considered lame even on reddit.